Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Graeme Gill
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > As a free software developer yourself surely you don't do everything > people tell you to. No, but I find rather a lot of time, if someone (never mind a whole bunch of people!) is bothered enough to post a comment to my mailing list, that they have a point worth unde

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:13:05 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > >> All right, let's stop this nonsense. > > After reading that I honestly expected that it's going to end at... > >> You have every right to do what you please with GIMP. > > B

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Robert Krawitz wrote: > All right, let's stop this nonsense. After reading that I honestly expected that it's going to end at... > You have every right to do what you please with GIMP. But no, it hasn't :) > You've gone out of your way to try to force everyone.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Robert Krawitz
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:30:35 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Monty Montgomery wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine >>> Democracy is overrated :) >> >> Agreed. But despots get their feedback primarily through overripe >> fruit... and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Monty Montgomery wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine >> Democracy is overrated :) > > Agreed. But despots get their feedback primarily through overripe > fruit... and revolutions. Revolutions? :D So far it looks rather like "I'm going t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Monty Montgomery
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine > Democracy is overrated :) Agreed. But despots get their feedback primarily through overripe fruit... and revolutions. The save/export decision is boneheaded, stubborn, condescending, and obviously wrong. Not in concept, but in implementatio

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Monty Montgomery
> Could you please for the love of any deity stop overreacting > As a free software developer yourself surely you don't do everything > people tell you to. Connect the two. So, "no". This change pisses me off quite a lot as a day to day user. It's not overreacting to say so. I realize the dev

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Michael Henning
As mitch and I discussed on irc, as the plan stands right now, the GIMP won't have any working color profile. Going forward, AFAIK, the "image->mode->assign/convert color profile" menu entries should be removed from the lcms plugin, and everything automatically converted to srgb/R'G'B' on import.

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Nicolas Robidoux wrote: > It is my opinion that XYZ is not fully replaced by infinite gamut linear RGB > if only because XYZ has a channel which is a proper luminance channel. RGB > does not. > > Enough to deserve a place within GIMP? Don't know. If my (initial) i

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
It is my opinion that XYZ is not fully replaced by infinite gamut linear RGB if only because XYZ has a channel which is a proper luminance channel. RGB does not. Enough to deserve a place within GIMP? Don't know. If my (initial) inputs and (final) outputs are sRGB, linear RGB with sRGB primaries i

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: > >>> *I haven't yet added in code that handles Gimp's 16-bit floating point and >>> 32-bit integer image types. Are these image types being used by anyone? >> >> 16bit integer can

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: >> *I haven't yet added in code that handles Gimp's 16-bit floating point and >> 32-bit integer image types. Are these image types being used by anyone? > > 16bit integer can perhaps be useful for various scientific > applications that GIMP thus

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Elle Stone wrote: > I posted a list of proposed additions/enhancements to the lcms.c plugin and > would like some feedback on what to start working on next > (http://ninedegreesbelow.com/temp/gimp-lcms-8.html). For instance, *snip* > *I haven't yet added in code

[Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: now that it works, adding and improving functionality

2012-11-28 Thread Elle Stone
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Elle Stone wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Tobias Jakobs wrote: > > with all this changes and the recent work in git it looks very promising. >> Thank you and every one from the Gimp Team who help for this work. Could >> you perhaps give us short status

Re: [Gimp-developer] A little truble with the mailing list

2012-11-28 Thread Paka
* Dima Ursu [11-28-12 11:23]: > I have a little trouble with the mailing list: whenever I write a replay > (pressing replay to list in thunderbird) I don't see after that my message > in the thread: what is the matter? gmail considers it a duplicate post since you posted it via gmail smtp and hid

Re: [Gimp-developer] A little truble with the mailing list

2012-11-28 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 17:19:14, Dima Ursu wrote: > I have a little trouble with the mailing list: whenever I write a replay > (pressing replay to list in thunderbird) I don't see after that my > message in the thread: what is the matter? GMail - it hides your own messages. -- < Jern

[Gimp-developer] A little truble with the mailing list

2012-11-28 Thread Dima Ursu
Hello! I have a little trouble with the mailing list: whenever I write a replay (pressing replay to list in thunderbird) I don't see after that my message in the thread: what is the matter? Cheers, Dima ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-deve

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Dima Ursu
On 11/28/2012 05:12 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:51:56PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Monty Montgomery wrote: So please, for the love of god, change the 'fuck you' dialog to something that doesn't slap the user instead of doing w

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Though a democratic process is no substitute for a scientific process > (and maybe UI design is scientific, who knows?), in this case we must > pay heed to our users. Democracy is overrated :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicswor

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 06:51:56PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Monty Montgomery wrote: > > > So please, for the love of god, change the 'fuck you' dialog to > > something that doesn't slap the user instead of doing what the user > > wants, expects, and the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Monty Montgomery wrote: > So please, for the love of god, change the 'fuck you' dialog to > something that doesn't slap the user instead of doing what the user > wants, expects, and the code is perfectly capable of doing. Could you please for the love of any deity

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Cadet
--- En date de : Mer 28.11.12, Monty Montgomery a écrit : > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, > Alexia Death > wrote: > > ... sigh... Let me explain this again. > > Yes, we're all shaking our heads. > > (I was bitten by the smarmy 'you're wrong! I know what you > want to do, > but I'll not do

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Monty Montgomery
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Alexia Death wrote: > ... sigh... Let me explain this again. Yes, we're all shaking our heads. (I was bitten by the smarmy 'you're wrong! I know what you want to do, but I'll not do it!' dialog several times tonight alone... nothing like re-navigating through st

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: getting closer, but undo doesn't work

2012-11-28 Thread Elle Stone
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Tobias Jakobs wrote: with all this changes and the recent work in git it looks very promising. > Thank you and every one from the Gimp Team who help for this work. Could > you perhaps give us short status update about what is now working and what > is still missing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re : Feedback from an ordinary user

2012-11-28 Thread Nemes Sorin
On 11/25/2012 04:59 AM, Cristian Secară wrote: În data de Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:32:55 +0200, Alexia Death a scris: [...] Save is "safe" and always keeps everthing you can see in GIMP UI - you can continue editing from it. Export is always destructive. No other format than XCF supports all gimp fe

Re: [Gimp-developer] lcms high bit depth update: getting closer, but undo doesn't work

2012-11-28 Thread Tobias Jakobs
> On 11/24/12, Elle Stone wrote: > > Turns out it wasn't the babl files after all, and it wasn't any Gimp > code, either. I didn't write the gegl iterators correctly (thank you > Mike Henning for writing the patch and showing how the iterators > should be written!). > Hello Ellen, with all this