Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Henning
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Elle Stone wrote: > My assumption was that "sRGB as PCS" only made sense in the context of using > unbounded sRGB as a universal working space. > > If "sRGB as PCS" means that unbounded linear gamma sRGB is used to convert > from RGB to XYZ to LAB, for example, then

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/09/2014 12:27 PM, Michael Henning wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Elle Stone I'm not proposing that you use "sRGB as PCS" and then hack the code to fix the resulting problems. I'm proposing that you eliminate "sRGB as PCS" altogether. It's a broken model for RGB editing. The VFX pe

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Michael Henning wrote: >>> But the "R'G'B'A >>> u8" and u16 and similar better be left alone because they have been >>> written with the assumption that their data is sRGB >> >> If there is code for 8-bit and 16-bit integer images that uses sRGB >> *primaries*, that

Re: [Gimp-developer] ERROR???GIMP, Ubuntu-System? or?

2014-10-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
What is what? :) Is there a screenshot or an error log you intended to share with us? Alex On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:18 PM, wrote: > Hello GIMP-Team, > > what's that? > > Kind regards, > > Stephan Siebert > > -- > Stephan Siebert > Silbersteinstraße 138 > 12051 Berlin > Telefon: 030.8645.5886

[Gimp-developer] ERROR???GIMP, Ubuntu-System? or?

2014-10-09 Thread Stephan . Siebert
Hello GIMP-Team, what's that? Kind regards, Stephan Siebert -- Stephan Siebert Silbersteinstraße 138 12051 Berlin Telefon: 030.8645.5886 E-Mail: stephan.sieb...@kabelmail.de ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@g

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Michael Henning
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Elle Stone wrote: > To somewhat simply, ICC RGB working space profiles are characterized by: > > 1. The profile Red, Green, and Blue colorant XYZ values, aka "primaries". > > 2. The profile Tone Reproduction Curve, "TRC" for short. > > Right now, when a user opens a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/09/2014 11:53 AM, Elle Stone wrote: I say mitigates, not solves, as cameras have a nasty habit of not reproducing colors exactly the way people see them. Saturated yellows can be out of gamut as interpreted by camera matrix input profiles. I said that wrong. Saturated yellows can be inter

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/09/2014 11:04 AM, scl wrote: I thought of the same (=a common) colour space for all ops, leading to a commonly shared pixel format which makes conversions unnecessary. If I misunderstood what you just said, my apologies. But I think you've concluded that because sRGB is so small, theref

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread scl
Hi Pippin, I hope you don't see my lines as picking on your work, but as the constructive criticism as it is meant. GIMP has performance issues, especially with large images and modern camera sensors are just delivering them. On 8.10.2014 at 4:47 PM Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4

Re: [Gimp-developer] Don't make an architectural mistake based on a groundless premise

2014-10-09 Thread Elle Stone
On 10/08/2014 04:20 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:25 PM, scl wrote: The we have to juggle a large set of different types of pixel formats already? The initial thinking was that linear working in RGB and HDR was sufficient, th