Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. > > Again, no. > > Try working with a pixel brush in a bigger magnification and check how > the pixel-grid-snapping of the pencil tool makes a huge difference to > the paintbrush. If there'

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Simon Budig
C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. > > > > Again, no. > > > > Try working with a pixel brush in a bigger magnification and check how > > the pixel-grid-snapping of the pencil tool makes a hug

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> Have you actually tried to do what I outlined above? > > Have you? lol No - I haven't. It's not currently possible to turn off anti-aliasing on the brush tool, so it's not possible to "test" it. However, knowing how anti-aliasing works, your statement is incorrect... The paintbrush tool resample

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Simon Budig
C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Have you actually tried to do what I outlined above? > > > > > Have you? lol > No - I haven't. It's not currently possible to turn off anti-aliasing on > the brush tool, so it's not possible to "test" it. Ah, sorry. I missed that we're discussing hypothetical futu

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: >> >> the Pencil tool is a classic. > > A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole I have > much more often redirected pencil users to the brush that the reverse. ...so that they would not be able to draw pixel-perfect recta

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Petteri Soininen
To make things even more complicated, the new MyPaint brushes can have a pixel brush that behaves like pencil. So if we get brush option to turn anti-aliasing off, we'll have 3 tools to make pixel art with.. -Petteri On 22.6.2016 13:40, Simon Budig wrote: C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: Have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> > > Ah, sorry. I missed that we're discussing hypothetical future > characteristics of the tools here. I was just looking at the current > difference between the pencil and the paintbrush tool. > Yes, it saves time if everyone reads the entire thread before commenting. I'm guilty of this too som

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> So if we get brush option to turn anti-aliasing off, we'll have 3 tools to > make pixel art with.. Hahaha! What do you want to bet it probably works /slightly/ different than either results from no anti-aliasing on brush, or the how the Pencil tool works. smh. ;) Obviously we have some things

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Michael Schumacher
On June 22, 2016 1:07:35 PM GMT+02:00, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: >>> >>> the Pencil tool is a classic. >> >> A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole >I have >> much more often redirected pencil users to the brush th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, C R wrote: > I still recommend adding the no anti-aliasing option to the brush though That would involve somehow making GIMP to switch presets when swapping Wacom pens, for starters. As Liam pointed out before. Alex ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> > > I still recommend adding the no anti-aliasing option to the brush though > > That would involve somehow making GIMP to switch presets when swapping > Wacom pens, for starters. As Liam pointed out before. > Why would pen presets be affected? Also, we could just have the checkbox switch to th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
Ah, I think I see. The presets could be stored as they are now, and the tool simply switched with the checkmark. We could also think about storing presets via brush instead of via tool. That would be much more useful, imho. -C On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, C R wrote: > > I still recommend a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, C R wrote: >> > I still recommend adding the no anti-aliasing option to the brush though >> >> That would involve somehow making GIMP to switch presets when swapping >> Wacom pens, for starters. As Liam pointed out before. > > > > Why would pen presets be affected?

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
I did, I just misunderstood. :) I also replied about it too with a possibly better solution to brush presets problems. -C On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, C R wrote: > >> > I still recommend adding

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Simon Budig
C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > Yes, it saves time if everyone reads the entire thread before commenting. > I'm guilty of this too sometimes, though, so don't worry about it. :) You know, I actually reread, and I find the thread highly confusing. It starts with the hardness-parameter in the penci

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> > You know, I actually reread, and I find the thread highly confusing. > I'll try to help explain, if it's not going to upset you... > It starts with the hardness-parameter in the pencil tool, then goes on > to how paintbrush is so similiar to the pencil tool, how the pencil tool > can get rem

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Elle Stone
On 06/22/2016 09:33 AM, C R wrote: Which I have explained 5 times now that this is only if it includes the (topic of this thread) proposed no anti-aliasing checkbox. On 06/15/2016 10:51 PM, Americo Gobbo wrote: Hi all, The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
Hi Elle. :) Thanks for your input... > I think Americo's suggestion (original topic of thread) was that the > Hardness slider be removed from the list of options for the Pencil, simply > because this slider doesn't seem to affect the actual paint applied using > the Pencil. > Yes. I think we all

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 5:55 PM, C R wrote: > Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can tell > you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil > tool acts nothing like a pencil at all. :) Could re-name it the > "pixel-tool" but it absolutely

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Elle Stone
On 06/22/2016 11:19 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 5:55 PM, C R wrote: >Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can tell >you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil >tool acts nothing like a pencil at all.:) Could

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can tell >> you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil >> tool acts nothing like a pencil at all. :) Could re-name it the >> "pixel-tool".

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Elle Stone
On 06/22/2016 12:16 PM, Elle Stone wrote: I rather suspect you might be right, that for many use cases the Brush tool is better for use as a "digital pencil". Athough experimenting, really the Pencil tool sometimes is nicer than the Brush tool for making sketch-type marks. Can you specify whe

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
> > > Speaking as a digital painter (samples available upon request), I can > tell > > you the Pencil tool does not replace a pencil brush. In fact, the pencil > > tool acts nothing like a pencil at all. :) Could re-name it the > > "pixel-tool" but it absolutely sucks at being a pencil in just

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
On Wednesday 22 June 2016 18:28:45 C R wrote: [...] > Already answered this before. "We" is the community. The community is made > of everyone involved in the GIMP project who can act to improve it. So if > we as a community decide it's worth changing, then we can change it. I > mean, that's usua

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes. Substitute with "interested parties". I'm well aware that even great ideas might never get priority. There are no promises, no guarantees. Right now "we" includes just who is here. If we are not allowed to discuss what we, might do or might want t

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread JLuc
As for the "we" Le 22/06/2016 22:48, C R a écrit : I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes. Substitute with "interested parties". I'm well aware that even great ideas might never get priority. There are no promises, no guarantees. Right now "we" includes just who is here. If we are not

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
So when I say "we can do this", I should say "I can do this"? I do wonder if people actually read what I post. :) -C On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:34 AM, JLuc wrote: > As for the "we" > Le 22/06/2016 22:48, C R a écrit : > >> I admit that I don't care at all who "we" includes. Substitute with >> "

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness

2016-06-22 Thread C R
In the interests of moving on with more important things than the symantics of "we", I can attempt to extract the team aspect from my verbiage. I can say for example: "It can be done this way." or "It might be decided that." It sounds cold, and impersonal to me, but if it allows us to move forward