Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution

2014-09-21 Thread Michael Bauer
Ok, good news, between the indomitable Partha and myself (mostly Partha, I was just testing), we managed to identify the problem and Partha was able to fix it and provide a working build. Fault finding eventually got us to running $ locale which on my machine resulted in LANG and LC_ALL

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution

2014-09-21 Thread scl
On 21.9.2014 at 2:22 PM Michael Bauer wrote: Ok, good news, between the indomitable Partha and myself (mostly Partha, I was just testing), we managed to identify the problem and Partha was able to fix it and provide a working build. Fault finding eventually got us to running After running

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution

2014-09-21 Thread Partha Bagchi
No, you don't need to do that. The language black magic is not involved. I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x script and modified for my builds. So, I set the language in the script and you all set. The script obviously

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution

2014-09-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 21.09.2014 15:22, Partha Bagchi wrote: I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x script and modified for my builds. We want that users can select the language in the GIMP preferences, though. -- Regards, Michael GPG:

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution

2014-09-21 Thread Partha Bagchi
An they do as Michael mentioned at the start of this thread. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 21.09.2014 15:22, Partha Bagchi wrote: I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-17 Thread Michael Bauer
17/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: In both cases, the App menu shows mixed languages: the primary one from System Preferences and the user selected one well? I?m still not convinced. Why? Every supported OS X language is automatically detected, if there?s a

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-16 Thread Michael Bauer
Yes, sorry, Dyirbal was the wrong language, I meant Pitjantjatjara actually but I had just read something (unrelated) regarding Dyirbal and got wires crossed in my brain. Michael 16/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: Certainly been an interesting topic, and I was

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-16 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org But the really big problem is for locales not supported by the OS, many medium to small locales fall into this category. If someone localizes GIMP into, for the sake of argument, Dyirbal (one of the bigger Australian languages), then they are stuffed

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-16 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
Simone, I hope this can convince you to not remove that code from GIMP? well ... we’re talking about two use cases: a) a user wants to use GIMP in some other language than OS X itself. b) a user wants to use GIMP in some language, that neither OS X supports, nor any other native (not

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-15 Thread Michael Bauer
Well, for those whose locales are supported, that still removes user control over the UI language. Not a good idea. But the really big problem is for locales not supported by the OS, many medium to small locales fall into this category. If someone localizes GIMP into, for the sake of

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-15 Thread Owen
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:22:15 +0100 Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: snip localizes GIMP into, for the sake of argument, Dyirbal (one of the bigger Australian languages) Certainly been an interesting topic, and I was moved by the above statement to read more.

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread scl
Am 11.09.14 um 16:33 schrieb scl: Are more people experiencing this effect? Hello, no answers? Is there anybody else experiencing the effect that the build from http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ shows only two languages in the language selector listbox? Kind regards Sven

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
Hi Sven, I’ve downloaded your build and I’m experiencing the exact same issue. The language selector only shows system language and en_US. And it seems to me, that your build is picking up languages from OS X System Preferences, and even uses all other languages in System Preferences as

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread scl
On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Hi Sven, I’ve downloaded your build and I’m experiencing the exact same issue. The language selector only shows system language and en_US. thank you for reporting back. It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread scl
Am 14.09.14 at 11:40 AM scl wrote: On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: The language selector only shows system language and en_US. thank you for reporting back. It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried both - revoking read permissions from the original

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
Am 14.09.2014 um 15:08 schrieb scl scl.gp...@gmail.com: BTW, I’ve never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does. Well, that's indeed a point why we provide an extra language selector while the user can already set the

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
On 14 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de mailto:schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Partha Bagchi
I don't think it's a Windows thing. :) On Windows, the language is handled in app/language.c which all works out nicely at the moment (even if it's a hack) On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: It used to be

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Partha Bagchi
Simone, It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language. If you are packaging the iso-codes, you should be able to see and set the default Gimp language without changing system language. Thanks, Partha On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Simone Karin

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-14 Thread Simone Karin Lehmann
Am 14.09.2014 um 23:27 schrieb Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com: Simone, It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language. yes, I know. I meant that my builds don’t support setting the locale within GIMP. And, I disabled the code

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Bauer
I have two locales under System Preferences Language Region: Gàidhlig (Scottish Gaelic) English I've tried a few other pemutations and there's some odd stuff going on. First, no matter which locale I set, it only ever shows 2 in the dropdown. I tried German, which brings up GIMP in German

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-12 Thread Partha Bagchi
I updated 2.8.14 McGimp last night to include the language codes. Could you please re-download and test that your language (in fact all languages) are visible to you? Thanks, Partha On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: I have two locales under System

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Bauer
The outcome is still the same, only 2 locales shown (Default and English) and it comes up in English either way :/ Michael 12/09/2014 13:33, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: I updated 2.8.14 McGimp last night to include the language codes. Could you please re-download and test that your language (in

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-12 Thread Partha Bagchi
In your tmp folder, there should be a file called rungimp-2.8-2014-series-of-numbers.log. Can you tell me if you seeing any errors in this log other than dbus? Thanks, Partha On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: The outcome is still the same, only 2 locales

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-12 Thread Michael Bauer
Here's all of the log: Executing Gimp 2.8 at DATE: 2014-09-12 TIME: 13:44:40 Dir is /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS Appdir is /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app Could not remove /tmp/pb2.8 ls: /tmp/pb2.8: No such file or directory Linking /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app to /pb2.8 ... ... Done

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Partha Bagchi
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Hi Partha, Thanks for that... it installed ok but I feel like I'm about to go through a why-oh-why moment (not your fault). So I installed it, it comes up in English, so I go the the UI option where, hooray, I find a

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Bauer
Hi Michael Thanks. On my slightly older MacBook (which has a version of OSX which does not support gd at all) I have the same problem, only [System language] and [English] are on offer. I borrowed a friend's newer Mac where you can set gd as the locale (though it doesn't actually change the

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Partha Bagchi
Michael B., I am confused. Which version of OSX do you have? My version supports Snow Leopard to Yosemite. I just checked and here is a screenshot from 2.8.14 (I am running Yosemite): http://www.partha.com/images/screenshots/Gimp-2.8.14-Language-screenshot.jpg Can you send me a screenshot or

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Bauer
11/09/2014 11:35, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: Michael B., I am confused. Which version of OSX do you have? My version supports Snow Leopard to Yosemite. My older machine is on Leopard, the newer one is running Mavericks I just checked and here is a screenshot from 2.8.14 (I am running

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread scl
On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote: The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Henning
Gimp relies on the pkg-isocodes data files to generate the language list correctly. Patha: Please build and ship pkg-isocodes with your gimp binaries. That should fix this issue. Sources are available here: http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/ If you already do ship pkg-isocodes (I didn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-11 Thread Partha Bagchi
I do package them with Windows where I think it's needed. Didn't have the need before on Macs. I will add them to the Mac version as well in case they are missing from a user's machine. Thanks, Partha On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Michael Henning dra...@darkrefraction.com wrote: Gimp

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-10 Thread Partha Bagchi
You can download a build from my page www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite. If you do, let me know if you have issues. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Hiya Anyone heard anything about a build of .14 for OSX? Been

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-10 Thread Michael Bauer
Hi Partha, Thanks for that... it installed ok but I feel like I'm about to go through a why-oh-why moment (not your fault). So I installed it, it comes up in English, so I go the the UI option where, hooray, I find a Language option. Immediately followed by a groan because it offers me

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX

2014-09-10 Thread scl
On 11.9.2014 at 2:59 AM Michael Schumacher wrote: On September 11, 2014 2:34:25 AM CEST, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me? We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)

2013-07-23 Thread Pat David
Just following up on this. Had a quick conversation about this on irc with mitch. apLundell reported the same problem. We both ran a trace in instruments and came up with these: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndnxmp15zngf280/Instruments2.trace.zip

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Henning
The warning that said 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. isn't related. That's just there because of the version of gegl in use by the builds. Because 2.8 doesn't use gegl for most operations, that wouldn't cause your issue. Sorry, I don't know what's causing this. -- drawoc On

Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)

2013-07-12 Thread Partha Bagchi
It's probably a combination of cairo/pixman/gdk_pixbuff that is interacting weirdly with Pat's Mac. I'll test it with him to see what the cause is. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Henning dra...@darkrefraction.comwrote: The warning that said 'Geglconfig has no property named

[Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)

2013-07-08 Thread Pat David
Hi all, I wasn't sure if I should post here, but I figure it can't hurt. I'm running OSX 10.7.5 (Lion) w/ 4GB ram, and have been primarily using two builds from Simone and Partha. (Partha's 2.8.6 build, and the latest from Simone for Lion 2.8.4 - 2.8.4p2) What I'm seeing is an incredibly slow