Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
Stefan Beller wrote: So this is really bikeshedding at its finest. You don't seem to understand what is bikeshedding. The reason a bikeshed is used as reference is because the primary function of a bikeshed is to store bikes, and therefore the color of the bikeshed doesn't really matter. A logo

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-14 Thread Stefan Beller
So this is really bikeshedding at its finest. I'd personally do agree on the logo proposed in the first mail by Junio. However who is the core community, who am I to judge? So maybe the decision process on this issue may need a more centrally steered opinion, so why not call for votes and weight

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-14 Thread Erik Faye-Lund
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: The motion is about this: Outside people, like the party who approached us about putting our logo on their trinket, seem to associate that logo we see on git-scm.com today with our project, but we never

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-13 Thread Javier Domingo Cansino
I think it is a suitable logo. It might not be the one I would think of, but I see with good eyes using it as one of the project logos. Javier Domingo Cansino -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-12 Thread Jeff King
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:25:17PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: The mention of dev.git-scm.com gives me a mixed feeling. The chasm between the developer community and casual end-users who know about Git primarily via their perusal of git-scm.com is one of the root causes of this confusion.

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-12 Thread Jeff King
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 08:24:48AM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: I would actually like you (everyone) to be honest and answer this question; Have you actually analized the logo? Or are you just arguing against change, because the logo is already used by git-scm.com, and related stuff? Is

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-12 Thread Felipe Contreras
Jeff King wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 08:24:48AM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: I would actually like you (everyone) to be honest and answer this question; Have you actually analized the logo? Or are you just arguing against change, because the logo is already used by git-scm.com,

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Javier Domingo Cansino
I have never thought on that logo as the Git logo (the red one), and thought it was [1]. Mainly because the logo itself has git inside. I have to agree with David Kastrup on that I see no connection to git only by the image (red one). Maybe is because I am accustomed to the older one[1] I started

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Jeff King
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:24:24AM +1000, Andrew Ardill wrote: It's normal for an organisation to have a collection of logos to choose from, with one 'official' version. For example, a black and white version is useful for print. Similarly, it's useful to have a couple of different contrast

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Max Horn
My two cents: I like git-scm.com quite a bit. As for the logo, I think it's nice and simple, and based on experience I think that for every logo you'll find people who object to it. E.g. the red color of the log on git-scm.com looks great to me, while I dislike e.g. the color variation Felipe

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Jeff King wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:24:24AM +1000, Andrew Ardill wrote: It's normal for an organisation to have a collection of logos to choose from, with one 'official' version. For example, a black and white version is useful for print. Similarly, it's useful to have a couple

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Max Horn wrote: As for the logo, I think it's nice and simple, You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? and based on experience I think that for every logo you'll find people who object to it. So we should just accept any logo without thinking about

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread David Kastrup
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com writes: Secondly, the logos that are not black, are bright red, which is horrible; not only do they look bad in almost every situation due to the contrast, but in a Git's mindeset red implies old, a minus, the hunk removed, an error, which is not

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, even the black ones have the issue I already mentioned; they picture the equivalent of two root commits (with no parents) that are immediately merged, and the history continues, but who is interested

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Max Horn
On 11.04.2014, at 15:29, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: As for the logo, I think it's nice and simple, You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? No, I don't think that. Perhaps you think that, but if that is

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 15:29, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? No, I don't think that. Then you belong to the minority of Git users. Those of us that see

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, even the black ones have the issue I already mentioned; they picture the equivalent of two root commits (with no parents) that are immediately merged, and the

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Philippe Vaucher
You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? No, I don't think that. Perhaps you think that, but if that is the case, it is based on your own sociocultural background. Hey, and let's not forget that supposedly 8% or so of all males are red-green

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Philippe Vaucher
FWIW, I think if you made a poll and asked which color is the most positive between green and red, the vast majority of people would say green. Examples could be traffic green lights vs red lights, or that in nature quiet peaceful usually involves green while danger/action involves red (tree

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Michael Haggerty
On 04/09/2014 06:43 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: Junio C Hamano wrote: - To officially adopt the logo that appears on the project home page as our project logo. I have made my objections to that logo before, but here it goes again: bright red is a horrible color for a logo, as it only

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Holger Hellmuth
Am 11.04.2014 17:39, schrieb Philippe Vaucher: FWIW, I think if you made a poll and asked which color is the most positive between green and red, the vast majority of people would say green. Examples could be traffic green lights vs red lights, or Coca-Cola uses red. So red is refreshing and

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-04-11 13:32, Javier Domingo Cansino wrote: I have never thought on that logo as the Git logo (the red one), and thought it was [1]. Mainly because the logo itself has git inside. [1] Git logo: http://git-osx-installer.googlecode.com/files/GitLogo.jpg -- Like Javier, I too assumed

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Karsten Blees
Am 09.04.2014 18:43, schrieb Felipe Contreras: Junio C Hamano wrote: - To officially adopt the logo that appears on the project home page as our project logo. I have made my objections to that logo before, but here it goes again: bright red is a horrible color for a logo, as it only

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread David Kastrup
Karsten Blees karsten.bl...@gmail.com writes: Additionally, orange/red alerts and attracts the eye while green is calming, uninteresting. Imagine a page with five different SCM logos. If you want git to stand out, choose orange/red. If you want git to be overlooked choose green. How about

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Max Horn
On 11.04.2014, at 17:39, Philippe Vaucher philippe.vauc...@gmail.com wrote: You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? No, I don't think that. Perhaps you think that, but if that is the case, it is based on your own sociocultural background.

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Max Horn
On 11.04.2014, at 17:21, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 15:29, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents progress? No, I don't

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 17:21, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 15:29, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: You don't think red represent an oldness in Git? Whereas green represents

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Max Horn
On 11.04.2014, at 20:56, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 17:21, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 15:29, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: You don't

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Junio C Hamano
Jeff King p...@peff.net writes: The git-scm.com page is mostly targeted at end users: what is it, how do I get it, where is the documentation. Things like a logo repository, or developer information is spread across various wikis and other sites. If there's interest, we can make

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Junio C Hamano wrote: In any case, this motion is not about let's declare the logo we see on git-scm.com today as _the_ official one. Phew. :) [...] Please help us by letting us answer Yup, that is a logo (among others) that represents our project, and we are OK with you using

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Ronnie Sahlberg
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: Please help us by letting us answer Yup, that is a logo (among others) that represents our project, and we are OK with you using it to help promote our project instead. That is what I meant by our official

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
Max Horn wrote: On 11.04.2014, at 20:56, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Max Horn wrote: Come back when you have facts, as opposed to the illusion that you are the spokesperson of the (apparently silent) majority of Git users. Facts: 1) A hunk that removed (-)

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Brandon McCaig
Junio: On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com wrote: The pages at https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page are done primarily by developers, and between the two logos on that page, the one that appears inside the page under Main Page header has long been the

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-11 Thread Michael Haggerty
On 04/11/2014 09:25 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote: [...] The motion is about this: Outside people, like the party who approached us about putting our logo on their trinket, seem to associate that logo we see on git-scm.com today with our project, but we never officially said it

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-10 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Ardill andrew.ard...@gmail.com writes: I think it is fair to say that the red version is the one people recognise as 'git' and so should be kept as the official version. Who is people? I never associated anything with it. I had to look at the actual web page to see what people are

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-09 Thread Matthieu Moy
Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com writes: - To officially adopt git-scm.com http://git-scm.com (and git-scm.org http://git-scm.org) as our project home page; and - To officially adopt the logo that appears on the project home page as our project logo. For those like me who wonder

RE: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-09 Thread Felipe Contreras
Junio C Hamano wrote: - To officially adopt the logo that appears on the project home page as our project logo. I have made my objections to that logo before, but here it goes again: bright red is a horrible color for a logo, as it only looks good in limited situations. I propose you use

Re: Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-09 Thread Andrew Ardill
On 10 April 2014 02:43, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Junio C Hamano wrote: - To officially adopt the logo that appears on the project home page as our project logo. I have made my objections to that logo before, but here it goes again: bright red is a horrible

Our official home page and logo for the Git project

2014-04-08 Thread Junio C Hamano
Recently, somebody approached Software Freedom Conservancy, wishing to obtain our blessing for using the Git logo on some trinket they are planning to make. We joined Conservancy earlier, primarily so that we have a legal entity that can receive and pool the GSoC mentor stipend, and because we