Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread brian m. carlson
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:59:41PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
 * bc/gpg-sign-everywhere (2014-02-11) 9 commits
  - pull: add the --gpg-sign option.
  - rebase: add the --gpg-sign option
  - rebase: parse options in stuck-long mode
  - rebase: don't try to match -M option
  - rebase: remove useless arguments check
  - am: add the --gpg-sign option
  - am: parse options in stuck-long mode
  - git-sh-setup.sh: add variable to use the stuck-long mode
  - cherry-pick, revert: add the --gpg-sign option
 
  Teach --gpg-sign option to many commands that create commits.
 
  Changes to some scripted Porcelains use unsafe variable
  substitutions and still need to be tightened.
 
  Will merge to 'next'.

Junio, did you want a reroll with that fixed commit message, or will you
fix it up yourself?

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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net writes:

  Changes to some scripted Porcelains use unsafe variable
  substitutions and still need to be tightened.
 
  Will merge to 'next'.

 Junio, did you want a reroll with that fixed commit message, or will you
 fix it up yourself?

I haven't merged them yet---if there are need to update any one of
them, please reroll a replacement set.

Thanks.
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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Andrew Eikum
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:59:41PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
 As a workaround to make life easier for third-party tools, the
 upcoming major release will be called Git 1.9.0 (not Git 1.9).
 The first maintenance release for it will be Git 1.9.1, and the
 major release after Git 1.9.0 will either be Git 2.0.0 or Git
 1.10.0.
 

Apologies if this ground has been tread before, but has there been a
version numbering discussion? A quick google didn't seem to turn
anything up.

This seems to be an opportune time to drop the useless first digit.
Explicitly, the major release numbers would be: 1.8, 1.9, then 2.0,
3.0, 4.0, etc, with the 2nd digit would take the meaning of the
current 3rd digit and so on.

Andrew
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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
Andrew Eikum aei...@codeweavers.com writes:

 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:59:41PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
 As a workaround to make life easier for third-party tools, the
 upcoming major release will be called Git 1.9.0 (not Git 1.9).
 The first maintenance release for it will be Git 1.9.1, and the
 major release after Git 1.9.0 will either be Git 2.0.0 or Git
 1.10.0.
 

 Apologies if this ground has been tread before, but has there been a
 version numbering discussion? A quick google didn't seem to turn
 anything up.

 This seems to be an opportune time to drop the useless first digit.
 Explicitly, the major release numbers would be: 1.8, 1.9, then 2.0,
 3.0, 4.0, etc, with the 2nd digit would take the meaning of the
 current 3rd digit and so on.

Considered, and discarded.

cf. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/241498

When you see a version number vX.Y.0 next time, think of it as just
play vX.Y without the third digit, and you will be fine.  People's
script cannot learn the think of it as ... part overnight, and
that is why we have the .0 there.
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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Andrew Eikum
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:10:05PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
 Andrew Eikum aei...@codeweavers.com writes:
 
  On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 01:59:41PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
  As a workaround to make life easier for third-party tools, the
  upcoming major release will be called Git 1.9.0 (not Git 1.9).
  The first maintenance release for it will be Git 1.9.1, and the
  major release after Git 1.9.0 will either be Git 2.0.0 or Git
  1.10.0.
  
 
  Apologies if this ground has been tread before, but has there been a
  version numbering discussion? A quick google didn't seem to turn
  anything up.
 
  This seems to be an opportune time to drop the useless first digit.
  Explicitly, the major release numbers would be: 1.8, 1.9, then 2.0,
  3.0, 4.0, etc, with the 2nd digit would take the meaning of the
  current 3rd digit and so on.
 
 Considered, and discarded.
 
 cf. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/241498
 

Thank you for the link, it hadn't turned up in my searching.

 When you see a version number vX.Y.0 next time, think of it as just
 play vX.Y without the third digit, and you will be fine.  People's
 script cannot learn the think of it as ... part overnight, and
 that is why we have the .0 there.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant the useless digit is the first one,
which is currently 1. and has been hanging around for a bit over
eight years.

My worry is having 2. hang around for another decade or longer. I'd
rather see X.0.0 denote a major feature release (currently represented
as 1.X.0), with X.Y.0 for minor enhancements and X.Y.Z for bugfix. So
the major release version sequence would become 1.8.0, 1.9.0, 2.0.0,
3.0.0, with minor releases like 2.1.0, and bugfix releases like 2.1.1.

It seems reasonable to expect fewer backwards incompatible changes in
the future as Git has become more mature. This reduces the utility of
reserving X.0.0 for major backwards incompatible changes, especially
considering it's already been eight years for the first increment.

Andrew
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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Junio C Hamano
Andrew Eikum aei...@codeweavers.com writes:

 My worry is having 2. hang around for another decade or longer. I'd
 rather see X.0.0 denote a major feature release (currently represented
 as 1.X.0), with X.Y.0 for minor enhancements and X.Y.Z for bugfix.

We need three categories: (1) potentially incompatible, (2) feature,
(3) fixes-only.  We have been doing two levels of features by having
both second and third numbers and we are flattening by removing the
second one.

 It seems reasonable to expect fewer backwards incompatible changes in
 the future as Git has become more mature. This reduces the utility of
 reserving X.0.0 for major backwards incompatible changes, especially
 considering it's already been eight years for the first increment.

We are not done yet, far from it.  If we can stay at 2.X longer,
that is a very good thing.

If we followed your numbering scheme, you rob from the users a way
to learn about a rare event, a potentially backward-incompatible
change.  How would you tell your users when the version gap really
matters?  After hearing You need to plan carefully when you update
to version 47 and then updating to version 47 (or the user may skip
that version), the user will learn about a new version 48 and does
not hear such a you need to be careful.  What should he think?  No
news is a good news?  He should refrain from updating because the
last one was a big one?  What if the last time he updated was to
version 43, stayed at that version for a long time without paying
much attention (as Git grows more and more mature), and now we have
version 50 after having a large compatibility gap at version 47 he
did not pay much attention because he was skipping?

The rarer the important event is, the more necessary that the
importance is communicated clearly.

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Re: What's cooking in git.git (Feb 2014, #04; Wed, 12)

2014-02-14 Thread Andrew Eikum
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:08:32PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:
 Andrew Eikum aei...@codeweavers.com writes:
 
  My worry is having 2. hang around for another decade or longer. I'd
  rather see X.0.0 denote a major feature release (currently represented
  as 1.X.0), with X.Y.0 for minor enhancements and X.Y.Z for bugfix.
 
 We need three categories: (1) potentially incompatible, (2) feature,
 (3) fixes-only.  We have been doing two levels of features by having
 both second and third numbers and we are flattening by removing the
 second one.
 
  It seems reasonable to expect fewer backwards incompatible changes in
  the future as Git has become more mature. This reduces the utility of
  reserving X.0.0 for major backwards incompatible changes, especially
  considering it's already been eight years for the first increment.
 
 We are not done yet, far from it.  If we can stay at 2.X longer,
 that is a very good thing.
 

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for explaining :)

Andrew
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