Randall Schwartz (was: Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET)

2001-03-25 Thread Lowell Bruce McCulley
Thanks for the links, Derek. Starting from Randall's page at stonehenge.com it took me only a few links to confirm my previous impression that Randall was guilty of violating both the letter and the spirit of the law. Now I've seen primary sources that validate the previous indirect commentary I

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
I don't think that this is minor at all. There are all sorts of ways to automate a majority of security updates. I use apt-get with security.debian.org in a cron job on a nightly basis to make sure that my system is up to date on a large number of packages. Of course, this doesn't cover everything

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Bob Bell
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 08:31:49PM -0500, Derek D. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are lots of reasons for people to not have these things fixed. > The largest one is ignorance. You can't fix something you don't even > know is broken. Minor nit pick, but in some cases you can. I h

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
I must say that this was extremely well thought out, and excellently stated. I, for one, do not think that Derek is a doomsdayer. Everything is a risk, especially in the computer world. That is why every choice needs to be carefully weighed in terms of risk analysis. However, it's my belief that i

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Derek D. Martin
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 08:31:49PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:31:12PM -0500, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > > Schneier said it best when he said " Anyone who believes that > > reactionary security measures are sufficient is either ignorant, blind, > > or management".

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Derek D. Martin
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:31:12PM -0500, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > OK, I could accept that. Except that it's two months old. I can see It doesn't matter if a vulnerability is two months old or 6 years old. Many system administrators either simply don't know anything about system security (a sa

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
OK, I could accept that. Except that it's two months old. I can see being a week, maybe two weeks (at the most) behind in security updates, but not two months. Besides, keeping up on security issues and taking appropriate action is part of the job. If a sysadmin isn't doing that, then they aren't

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:44:56 EST "Kenneth E. Lussier" said: >This worm just shouldn't be able to damage a site. If it does, then that >is an easy way to spot the sysadmins that aren't doing their jobs. Or, an easy way to spot and overworked, underpaid admin who doesn't have ti

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
The one thing that bothers me about this is that the vulnerability that they are exploiting was patched almost two months ago. The day that the vulnerability was announced, there was an easy fix: upgrade BIND to 8.2.3-REL. I did 5 servers in under an hour, and with no interruption to my user

Re: Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Ken Ambrose
Several experts from the security community worked through the night to decompose the worm's code and engineer a utility to help you discover if the Lion worm has affected your organization. Wow -- *I've* always wanted to decompose a worm's code; Mother Nature strikes again! Seriously, though, t

Fwd: ALERT - A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET

2001-03-23 Thread Dave hardy
FYI Dave Hardy Systems Manager/DBA Vermont Health Care Administration 89 Main Street Drawer 20 Montpelier, VT 05620-3101 802-828-2914 FAX: 802-828-2949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ALERT! A DANGEROUS NEW WORM IS SPREADING ON THE INTERNET March 23, 2001 7: