Re: On propriatary hardware and the origins of Linux (was: IBM Buys Rational...)

2002-12-06 Thread Tom Buskey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > The thing that really makes the firmware in most proprietary Unix systems >different from PCs is that the firmware is tightly coupled with the >operating system. For example, you can usually control OS boot options from >the ROM monitor. I'm not sure what you mean by

Re: On propriatary hardware and the origins of Linux (was: IBM Buys Rational...)

2002-12-06 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 06:20:09PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 6 Dec 2002, at 5:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And that's just one of the nice features real firmware. > > The thing that really makes the firmware in most proprietary Unix systems > different from PCs is that the firmw

Re: On propriatary hardware and the origins of Linux (was: IBM BuysRational...)

2002-12-06 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 18:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [stuff about firmware coupling with OSes snipped] Points taken. > Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. :-) Well, at least we have (as mentioned in one of my posts) linuxbios working more hardware all the time. Although, I a

RE: Wal Mart sells cheap linux boxes

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, at 12:59pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Lastly, even a Linux box with some design flaws is more secure than a >> comparable Windows box. ;-) > > What, like having it default to having it auto login as root? That's a > HUGE security issue and one of the main reasons windows vi

On propriatary hardware and the origins of Linux (was: IBM BuysRational...)

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On 6 Dec 2002, at 5:23pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Being able to set a system to NOT boot automatically and drop right into a > command line to probe devices, boot from alternate devices (without > changing any nvram settings) has saved me a number of times. Again FWIW, all of those features a

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 16:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 6 Dec 2002, at 4:22pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > One side note however is that I did find it very cool to experiment > > with the built-in always-on (even with the power cord unplugged) serial > > console ... > > Okay, I have to ask:

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread Kevin D. Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Okay, I have to ask: If the system is unplugged, what powers the serial > command processor and control electronics? Onboard battery? Every hardware engineer knows that smoke (not electricity) is really the thing that runs chips and CPUs. When the smoke comes out

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On 6 Dec 2002, at 4:22pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One side note however is that I did find it very cool to experiment > with the built-in always-on (even with the power cord unplugged) serial > console ... Okay, I have to ask: If the system is unplugged, what powers the serial command proces

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 13:24, Jerry Feldman wrote: [snip] > for a new generation, and the Itanium is one of the next generation chips. > (The Alpha is over 10 years old, and still pretty much the fastest RISC > chip). Agreed. And the inside (though anecdotal) information/opinion I have heard

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread Bob Bell
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:18:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has IA-64 really gotten so much better that is can seriously be considered > as a replacement for the PA-RISC and Alpha chips? I don't want to comment too much on the subject matter, but HP has come out wi

Re: User Mode Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Jeff Dike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > If you've never played with it, User Mode Linux is pretty cool. I can > now run the distro-of-the-week on my laptop without disturbing the > serenity of my base OS. Very nice, indeed. Thanks :-) > Anyone out there tried installing Debian Woody on user mode Linux, > yet?

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
DEC always had a problem with both marketing and sales. As a former DEC customer, we tried to buy a VAX 11/780 once, and could not get a sales person to return our calls let alone visit our office in Burlington (2 miles from Dec's Burlington sales office). There were some people like Clem Cole w

Re: Resignation

2002-12-06 Thread Rob Lembree
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 11:46, Bruce Dawson wrote: > Hi! I had intended on announcing this at tonight's meeting, but since there's no > meeting, and I don't want to impede progress, I'm doing it via email. > > I wanted to let people know that I'm handing in my resignation as co-chairman of > GNHLUG.

User Mode Linux

2002-12-06 Thread Jason Stephenson
If you've never played with it, User Mode Linux is pretty cool. I can now run the distro-of-the-week on my laptop without disturbing the serenity of my base OS. Very nice, indeed. Anyone out there tried installing Debian Woody on user mode Linux, yet? I'm gonna give it a try this weekend, and w

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, at 1:38pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Has IA-64 really gotten so much better that is can seriously be >> considered as a replacement for the PA-RISC and Alpha chips? > > I've been lead to believe that the biggest problem with Alpha as it is > today, is one simply of neglect.

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
HP codeveloped the IA-64 (Now the Itanium family) with the plan to replace the PA-RISC chip. The PA-RISC was upgraded to 64 bits several years ago, but most of the implementations are 32 bit. The Alpha was killed by Compaq management (eg. the EV8) because the development cost was prohibitive. Ba

[gnhlug-announce] 12/10 CentraLUG Meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Ben Boulanger
Hello everyone, Our next meeting will be: WHEN: TUESDAY, December 10, 2002 at 7:00(ish) PM WHERE: West St. Ward House 41 West St. Concord, NH WHAT: 802.11 Wireless Antenna information & Manchester Wireless WHO: Mike Spenard & Travis Roy presenting Map to West St. Ward House: http://ww

[gnhlug-announce] SLUG meeting on 12/9 in UNH Morse 301 at 7pm

2002-12-06 Thread Robert Anderson
This months meeting will cover programming for PalmOS devices under linux. Tucker Hurton will be showing us the environment and tools that he uses to develope software on the traditional Palm platform as well as his new StrongARM based CLIE. This will include Palm emulation under linux, which al

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:18:24 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Has IA-64 really gotten so much better that is can seriously be considered >as a replacement for the PA-RISC and Alpha chips? I don't claim to be a HW expert (actually, I'm pretty much ignorant of hw design all together)

Re: End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread Jason Stephenson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asked for personal opinions, so here's mine: I've used PA-RISC, Alpha, PowerPC, POWER, MIPS, and SPARC platform machines, as well as CISC-based x86 and 680x0 hardware. In my opinion, nothing but nothing touches the Alpha in raw speed. 'Course the SPARCs are handicapped by runn

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
When the Copmpaq/Intel agreement was announced last year (was it Aug, 2001) there was a discussion with Rational regarding the port, but be continued the port until last April when we completed Beta and released the final product. Rational then decided not to release it. Don't know if that was a

End of the Alpha CPU (was: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!)

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, at 1:01pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ahh, and they just anounced EOL for the Alpha today as well :) I had not heard about this yet, but found this article fairly quickly: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-976211.html I find it interesting that HP plans to dump both t

Re: 12/10 CentraLUG Meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Travis Roy
> Good (relatively inexpensive) Mexican food - I'll try to go upstairs, > but ask for linux at the front desk. If they give you a blank look, go > upstairs and ask the bartender. If he gives you a blank look, look for > people staring at you. If there's no one that matches this description, > te

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread pll
In a message dated: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:37:59 EST Jerry Feldman said: >Yes, there is a news release on Rational's site: >http://www.rational.com/news/press/pr_view.jsp?ID=8361 > >A very interesting development. I spent about 2.5 years working on a team to >port PurifyPlus to True64 Unix. Ahh, a

RE: Wal Mart sells cheap linux boxes

2002-12-06 Thread Travis Roy
> Lastly, even a Linux box with some > design flaws is more secure than a comparable Windows box. ;-) What, like having it default to having it auto login as root? That's a HUGE security issue and one of the main reasons windows viruses work so well since they have total control of the system. __

12/10 CentraLUG Meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Ben Boulanger
Hello everyone, Our next meeting will be: WHEN: TUESDAY, December 10, 2002 at 7:00(ish) PM WHERE: West St. Ward House 41 West St. Concord, NH WHAT: 802.11 Wireless Antenna information & Manchester Wireless WHO: Mike Spenard & Travis Roy presenting Map to West St. Ward House: http://ww

Re: IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
Yes, there is a news release on Rational's site: http://www.rational.com/news/press/pr_view.jsp?ID=8361 A very interesting development. I spent about 2.5 years working on a team to port PurifyPlus to True64 Unix. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.b

Re: Upcoming 12/10 meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can we get a when-and-where on that? I'm interested in attending. The > http://www.centralug.org site says the next meeting is 12 November, so I > presume it is out-of-date. You might want to post the meeting details to > the [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Upcoming 12/10 meeting

2002-12-06 Thread bscott
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, at 9:19am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, just wanted to go over the meeting a bit. Can we get a when-and-where on that? I'm interested in attending. The http://www.centralug.org site says the next meeting is 12 November, so I presume it is out-of-date. You might want t

IBM Buys Rational for $2.1Billion!

2002-12-06 Thread pll
I just saw this on the ClearCase user's group list, don't know if anyone here cares, but this is HUGE if you're a CC user. Seeya, Paul --- Forwarded Message >From IBM's site: Once the acquisition is completed, IBM plans to: Market and sell Rational's application development offerings wor

RE: Wal Mart sells cheap linux boxes

2002-12-06 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
> anyway, Lindows isn't very linux friendly. It really depends on what you mean by "Linux friendly". Are they perfect? Far from it -- frankly, I have some real issues with some of their decisions, both license-wise and Linux-wise. Is it still Linux, and reasonably cool? Well... yes. It's Debi

Re: Upcoming 12/10 meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Ed Lawson
Travis Roy wrote: Hello, just wanted to go over the meeting a bit. Will you talk abit about what catrds, etc. work well with Linux and set-up/config issues with Linux? Thinking about doing this for house and look forward to info, especially if specific to setting up and using systems. TIA

Upcoming 12/10 meeting

2002-12-06 Thread Travis Roy
Hello, just wanted to go over the meeting a bit. Mike is going to talk about antenna design and theory, how WiFi basically works and the type of things you can expect when you try to set up a wireless network. I'll be going into the fun stuff ;) Basics on Manchester Wireless, how it currently wor