DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Cole Tuininga
Preface - The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration of services from the older server to the newer server. Of course, one of the issues that's come up is DNS. This led to the following snippet: On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 09:04 -0400, wrote: Well, there's at least one easy

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread John Abreau
Cole Tuininga wrote: Unfortunately, shortening the TTL doesn't work for clients (like AOL) that cache/maintain their own DNS. I was curious - how do folks in general deal with this? While AOL can certainly constitute a large number of users, my inclination is to say hell with 'em. If they

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:27 -0400, John Abreau wrote: Cole Tuininga wrote: I wasn't aware that AOL was screwing this up as well. Last I was aware, AOL cached DNS entries for a minimum of two weeks, no matter what the TTL. However, I don't see anything that can be done about their blatant

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
On Mon, April 10, 2006 10:27 am, John Abreau wrote: I wasn't aware that AOL was screwing this up as well. However, I don't see anything that can be done about their blatant disregard for the way DNS is designed to work. There's actually one nice side-benefit I've noticed: some spammers

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/10/06, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, shortening the TTL doesn't work for clients (like AOL) that cache/maintain their own DNS. I was curious - how do folks in general deal with this? There's nothing much you can do about Internet brain damage, so all you can do

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Python
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:04 -0400, Cole Tuininga wrote: Preface - The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration of services from the older server to the newer server. Of course, one of the issues that's come up is DNS. This led to the following snippet: On Sat,

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 10:04:53AM -0400, Cole Tuininga wrote: Preface - The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration of services from the older server to the newer server. Of course, one of the issues that's come up is DNS. This led to the following snippet: On

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Ben Scott
Another term in this equation is that your average AOL user is just slighter dumber than their computer -- with the power off. They're more likely to have misconfigured settings, spyware, DNS hijacking, other badware, obsolete software, etc. That sure doesn't help. -- Ben

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Thomas Charron
On 4/10/06, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Preface -The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration ofservices from the older server to the newer server.Of course, one ofthe issues that's come up is DNS.This led to the following snippet: On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 09:04 -0400,

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Bruce Dawson
Cole Tuininga wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:58 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote: Any evidence of this? Nope - my knowledge is both anecdotal and quite possibly very out of date. Yes, but not recent, and not in the form of log files. I used AOL merely to indicate that there are some large

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 10:04:53AM -0400, Cole Tuininga wrote: Preface - The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration of services from the older server to the newer server. Of course, one of the issues that's come up is DNS. This led to the following snippet: On

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/10/06, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we change a host's IP address, we drop the TTL to 300 seconds a few days before, make the change, then raise it back up to 1 day. Ideally, one does a ramp down on the TTL. For example, if your TTL is set to one week normally, then one

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bruce Dawson writes: Add to this the fact that most BIND servers operate using UDP instead of TCP, and its easy to understand how BIND servers could become corrupt. How does the fact that a BIND server uses TCP instead of UDP make it more or less secure? (I don't know; this is why I ask)

Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread Ted Roche
Has anyone got multiple OSes running simultaneously on their personal machines? I've got a laptop I dual-boot between WinXPPro (client work) and Linux (more client work, home hobby), and I'd like to be able to toggle between the two rather than a slow reboot. Anyone doing this? What VM

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Bruce Dawson
Kevin D. Clark wrote: Bruce Dawson writes: Add to this the fact that most BIND servers operate using UDP instead of TCP, and its easy to understand how BIND servers could become corrupt. How does the fact that a BIND server uses TCP instead of UDP make it more or less secure? Its more a

Re: Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread Kjel Anderson
Hey Ted, I am using VMWare running on top of Kubuntu. I have several Microsoft virtual machines running, each with different software installed. The nice thing about it is I can pause a virtual machine and then resume it later, totally circumventing the windows boot process. In my work flow I

Seacoast LUG - Meeting tonight at UNH - Intro to Python

2006-04-10 Thread Greg Rundlett
Aplogies for jumping ahead of Rob on this announcement, I couldn't find any announcement about tonight's meeting in my email. But I just saw on the SLUG website that tonight's SLUG meeting is an Introduction to Python. WhatMeeting When2006-04-10 from 19:00 to 21:00 Where UNH Morse

Re: Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread hewitt_tech
I'm running VmWare and have always been happy with it. Over time the workstation version has gotten progressively more powerful. For example I'm currently running VmWare on a Windows X64 (64bit) host laptop. The guest OS is a 64 bit Ubuntu system. With VmWare I can forget about the problems I

Re: Seacoast LUG - Meeting tonight at UNH - Intro to Python

2006-04-10 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 12:50 -0400, Greg Rundlett wrote: Spread the word, and see you at UNH in Dartmouth! s/Dartmouth/Durham/ ? -- Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

GNHLUG Seacoast - Intro to Python - 10 Apr

2006-04-10 Thread Ben Scott
What : Introduction to Python Who : Rob Anderson Group: SLUG (Seacoast LUG) Where: Room 301, Morse Hall, UNH, Durham Day : Mon 10 Apr 2006 Time : 7 PM - 9 PM From the SLUG website: April's SLUG topic will be the Python programming language. We'll be going over a set of slides created to give a

Re: Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread Greg Rundlett
On 4/10/06, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got multiple OSes running simultaneously on their personal machines? I've got a laptop I dual-boot between WinXPPro (client work) and Linux (more client work, home hobby), and I'd like to be able to toggle between the two rather than a

SLUG meeting tonight at 7pm Topic: Introduction to the Python programming language

2006-04-10 Thread Robert E. Anderson
Who:Robert Anderson wil be presenting an set of Introduction to Python slides prepared by Harold Boley. What: An introduction to the Python programming language. When: Monday April 10th at 7:00pm Where: Morse Hall Conference room 301 The following slide

Re: Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread Kjel Anderson
Hey Ted, I am using VMWare running on top of Kubuntu. I have several Microsoft virtual machines running, each with different software installed. The nice thing about it is I can pause a virtual machine and then resume it later, totally circumventing the windows boot process. In my work flow I

Re: GNHLUG Seacoast - Intro to Python - 10 Apr

2006-04-10 Thread Greg Rundlett
thanks Ben, much better announcement. I was in too much of a hurry. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

Re: GNHLUG Seacoast - Intro to Python - 10 Apr

2006-04-10 Thread Ben Scott
On 4/10/06, Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks Ben, much better announcement. I was in too much of a hurry. That's okay... When I saw yours, I thought I'd post a message to gnhlug-announce. But I didn't think to check the mail queues prior to sending my announcement. So Rob's

Re: Seacoast LUG - Meeting tonight at UNH - Intro to Python

2006-04-10 Thread Robert E. Anderson
I liked yours better ;) On Mon April 10 2006 12:50, Greg Rundlett wrote: Aplogies for jumping ahead of Rob on this announcement, I couldn't find any announcement about tonight's meeting in my email. But I just saw on the SLUG website that tonight's SLUG meeting is an Introduction to

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread John Abreau
Cole Tuininga wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 10:27 -0400, John Abreau wrote: Cole Tuininga wrote: I wasn't aware that AOL was screwing this up as well. Last I was aware, AOL cached DNS entries for a minimum of two weeks, no matter what the TTL. However, I don't see anything that can be done

Monadnock Linux User Group - April 13th

2006-04-10 Thread guy Pardoe
The next meeting of the Monadnock Linux User Group (MonadLUG) will be this Thursday, April 13th, 7:00pm, at the SAU 1 Superintendent's Office behind South Meadow School in Peterborough. For directions, visit http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/OurChapters#monadlug AGENDA 1.

Re: Monadnock Linux User Group - April 13th

2006-04-10 Thread Warren Luebkeman
If you want a presenter this thursday, we might be able to bang something together! Take at look at our website, www.resara.com Warren L On Monday 10 April 2006 2:48 pm, guy Pardoe wrote: The next meeting of the Monadnock Linux User Group (MonadLUG) will be this Thursday, April 13th, 7:00pm,

Re: Laptop OS Virtualization?

2006-04-10 Thread Richard Soule
Add me to the VMWare crowd. I use it every time I do a demo. My laptop came from Oracle with WinXP on it, I run Linux, WinXP and Win2K Server VMs depending on which demo I want to run. Sometimes running the WinXP VM with Oracle EE database, Oracle EE Application Server, Oracle BPEL Server,

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Dave Johnson
Cole Tuininga writes: Preface - The folks on the sys-admin list are talking about the migration of services from the older server to the newer server. Of course, one of the issues that's come up is DNS. This led to the following snippet: On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 09:04 -0400, wrote:

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Paul Lussier
Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That explains it! Older versions of BIND had problems - they were especially vulnerable to attacks, and fell down in pathologically bad ways. It got to the point where I was restarting BIND every two days until they (ISC) started coming out with security

Re: DNS migration and folks that don't play nice

2006-04-10 Thread Paul Lussier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin D. Clark) writes: Bruce Dawson writes: Add to this the fact that most BIND servers operate using UDP instead of TCP, and its easy to understand how BIND servers could become corrupt. How does the fact that a BIND server uses TCP instead of UDP make it more or less