Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-13 Thread Ian Kelling
Thank you for advocating with the school. I've been hearing that BigBlueButton with Canvas is a good alternative to Zoom for schools. It sounds like it might be most practical for them to switch next school year, before they renew their Zoom license. In the meantime, you could run a BigBlueButton d

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-10 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 8:49 PM Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > security- and privacy- [which I guess I have to remind people are *not* the > same thing...] OK, I'll bite, how is privacy not part of security? (I suspect what you mean is that "privacy" is security you care about, while "security" i

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-10 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
On 8/10/20 10:23 AM, r...@mrt4.com wrote: > I don't have any kids, but my school district and other governments who claim > jurisdiction over me also require it. > > Since Zoom had said before that it was secure and it turned out that it > wasn't, it certainly doesn't make since to trust them no

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-10 Thread r270
I don't have any kids, but my school district and other governments who claim jurisdiction over me also require it. Since Zoom had said before that it was secure and it turned out that it wasn't, it certainly doesn't make since to trust them now. The way we do it in the open source community is

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-09 Thread jonhall80
Jitsi also is "no installation required" md > On 08/09/2020 9:42 AM Curt Howland wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Sunday 09 August 2020, Lloyd Kvam was heard to say: > > I have attempted to join some meetings and discovered that the app > > was *required*.

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-09 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
On 8/9/20 9:33 AM, Lloyd Kvam wrote: > On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 08:07 -0400, dmich...@amergin.org wrote: >> In a pinch you can run Zoom wholly in a browser or other semi-sandboxed >> environment such as mobile phone or tablet, without using the desktop app. > > I have attempted to join some meetings

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-09 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sunday 09 August 2020, Lloyd Kvam was heard to say: > I have attempted to join some meetings and discovered that the app > was *required*. My experience as well. Microsoft Teams, at least, allows me to be a passive viewer without having to inst

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-09 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 08:07 -0400, dmich...@amergin.org wrote: > In a pinch you can run Zoom wholly in a browser or other semi-sandboxed > environment such as mobile phone or tablet, without using the desktop app. I have attempted to join some meetings and discovered that the app was *required*.

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-09 Thread dmichaud
In a pinch you can run Zoom wholly in a browser or other semi-sandboxed environment such as mobile phone or tablet, without using the desktop app. I ended up repurposing a neglected chromebook as a zoom meeting appliance and that's been fantastic for many activities. > On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 19:14

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-08 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 19:14 -0400, Matt Minuti wrote: > There's been no remote execution exploits (AFAIK), so that's a non-issue. There have been remote exploits. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-2159/Zoom.html Ignore #5 which is a different Zoom. Apple was forced to create

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-08 Thread Coleman Kane
On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 10:26:57PM -0400, Kyle Smith wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 7:18 PM Matt Minuti wrote: > > > Virtually all of the security "issues" are irrelevant for the use case of > > public schools. All the "hacking" I've heard of has been nothing more than > > people doing the moder

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-08 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Saturday 08 August 2020, Joshua Judson Rosen was heard to say: > So apparently it's _not just me_ having trouble maintaining a > useful attitude during "COVID life"? ;p Watching a civilization collapse is not a comfortable thing. - -- You may m

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
So apparently it's _not just me_ having trouble maintaining a useful attitude during "COVID life"? ;p On 8/7/20 6:18 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:52 PM Joshua Judson Rosen > wrote: >> If you haven't heard..., Zoom has turned out to be a complete privacy- and >> security-night

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Kyle Smith
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 7:18 PM Matt Minuti wrote: > Virtually all of the security "issues" are irrelevant for the use case of > public schools. All the "hacking" I've heard of has been nothing more than > people doing the modern equivalent of wardialing, joining in meetings that > have no passwor

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 19:14 -0400, Matt Minuti wrote: > There's been no remote execution exploits (AFAIK), so that's a non-issue. There have been remote exploits in the past. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-2159/Zoom.html Ignore #5 which is a different Zoom. Apple was force

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Matt Minuti
Virtually all of the security "issues" are irrelevant for the use case of public schools. All the "hacking" I've heard of has been nothing more than people doing the modern equivalent of wardialing, joining in meetings that have no password by picking random numbers. That's not zooms fault, that's

Re: Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:52 PM Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > If you haven't heard..., Zoom has turned out to be a complete privacy- and > security-nightmare So has everything else created in the past several years. To paraphrase Larry Niven, it appears that the concept of "privacy" was something

Is your kids' school forcing Zoom on them too?

2020-08-07 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
So..., pandemic. That's still a thing, and school is about to start up. I hear a lot of schools have decided to make everyone use Zoom, whether they're at school or remote. That's apparently what's happening at my kid's school. If you haven't heard..., Zoom has turned out to be a complete privac