Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-19 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Bill Sconce wrote: >  "The tools to make user-privilege separation usable day to day, >  e.g., the ability to run programs with/without the net and to >  switch among working environments/desktops/user accounts with >  a single keypress, and so on just aren't avail

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread David Hardy
Yep, took a long time to load for me, too. Could be on a VAXstation 3100 or a MicroVAX. In Heaven he will have his choice of computers and a data center to put them in and his own printing press to explain it all to the other denizens. Only a year older than me and already gone these past five y

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Bill Sconce
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:01:50 -0400 Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Bill Sconce wrote: > > (*)  Sorry, Windows users. The tools you need just aren't > >     available on Windows. > > Windows NT certainly has user accounts. Always has, since the first > version (Versio

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
David, >His web site exists here: >http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/ It must be residing on a PRO 350 running an early version of V7M-11 (nee Ultrix-11)it took such a long time to load, but was definitely worth the wait. Thanks again for the memories. md P.S. My note about Terry from that s

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread David Hardy
maddog, et. al. Thanks much for that additional history. I am filing it as notes for my eventual 'autobiography' accordingly. I also remember reading Terry Shannon's 'Charlie Matco' columns back then and I believe I even corresponded with him once or twice. May he indeed, fellow 'Nam vet (we we

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Joseph Smith
On 08/17/2010 07:56 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >> Cutler wanted to leave Massachusetts and live in Washington State a long >> time before that. KO wanted to keep him on board, so allowed him to set >> up an advanced development facility in

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > Cutler wanted to leave Massachusetts and live in Washington State a long > time before that.  KO wanted to keep him on board, so allowed him to set > up an advanced development facility in Belleview, overlooking the > Olympic Mountains, w

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
David, Unfortunately the site you mention: http://www.alphant.com/ has a FAQ that is wrong: http://www.alphant.com/ant_faq.shtml#64bits Alpha NT never supported a 64-bit virtual address space. I seem to remember that Digital offered that code to Microsoft in 1992, but Microsoft turned it down

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ben, >From an admittedly faulty and ever-aging memory of events: > And Cutler moved to Microsoft because DEC just wanted to > maintain/extend VMS, while Cutler wanted to write a new OS ("MICA") > for the new hardware architecture ("PRISM") that was being designed. > Microsoft needed a better OS

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread David Hardy
Very interesting, and additional information that I was not aware of, naturally. For a short while, maybe nine years ago, I had an office with an Alpha machine that was running OpenVMS 6.something, and then when my "managers" found out that it could run NT, they made me change it to NT. I wish no

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:22 PM, David Hardy wrote: > And we all know, I think, that Windows NT was created for Microsoft by Dave > Cutler, former developer of RSX and VMS .. And Cutler moved to Microsoft because DEC just wanted to maintain/extend VMS, while Cutler wanted to write a new OS ("MI

Re: Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread David Hardy
*"...since the first version (Version 3.0). (NT is today called "Windows 7", and has also been called "Vista", "XP", and "2000".) (It's still Microsoft; they love playing name games.)* * * *And we all know, I think, that Windows NT was created for Microsoft by Dave Cutler, former developer of RS

Linux vs Windows, obscure security features (was: Quarantining an account...)

2010-08-17 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Bill Sconce wrote: > (*)  Sorry, Windows users. The tools you need just aren't >     available on Windows. Windows NT certainly has user accounts. Always has, since the first version (Version 3.0). (NT is today called "Windows 7", and has also been called "Vis