Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-04 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:45:17 -0500 From: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org WHAT Cryptosystem? How do you jump from '100 oddball DNS requests' to 'cryptosystem'? Have you been following the

Re: Logic in list messages WAS: Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-04 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:44:28 -0500 From: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org your saying, but how you got there is an awfully rocky road. For instance, you logic is flawed when it comes to it

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-04 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:45:17 -0500 From: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org WHAT Cryptosystem? How do you jump from '100 oddball DNS requests' to 'cryptosystem'? Have you been following the known plaintext attack thread? If not, please reread. You

Re: Logic in list messages WAS: Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-04 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:15:26 -0500 From: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org The entire purpose for the attack potentials you meantioned would have NOTHING to do with attacking liberty. Correct. To break it down, the sort of attack you are infering

Re: Logic in list messages WAS: Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-04 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:15:26 -0500 From: Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org To break it down, the sort of attack you are infering would be utilized when an entity was able to observe some form

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 02/03/2009 12:11 AM, Ben Scott wrote: So, we had around 100 of these show up in the log A hundred doesn't sound like enough to cause any trouble for the usual BIND exploits or DoS's nor are the names astonishingly long or anything. Odd. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner Work:

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 00:11 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: So, we had around 100 of these show up in the log from Sunday on liberty.gnhlug.org, all from the same IP address, all with similar but apparently never the same name pattern: client 192.0.2.42 query (cache)

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Chip Marshall
On February 03, 2009, Cole Tuininga sent me the following: On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 00:11 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: client 192.0.2.42 query (cache) 'aaccmmfwxdlaaabaaafbbfpg/NS/IN' denied: 1 Time(s) client 192.0.2.42 query (cache) 'abbcnefwxdlaaabaaafbkkag/NS/IN' denied: 1

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Chip Marshall c...@2bithacker.net wrote: Could be cache-probing as well. ... Not sure how useful it is to know what people have been looking up ... But none of those domain names are even close to valid, and while I didn't check each and every one, it didn't

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Chip Marshall
On February 03, 2009, Ben Scott sent me the following: But none of those domain names are even close to valid, and while I didn't check each and every one, it didn't look like there were any repeats. How would that lead to info about cached queries? Oh, I thought you had obfuscared the

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 12:44:01PM -0500, Chip Marshall wrote: On February 03, 2009, Ben Scott sent me the following: But none of those domain names are even close to valid, and while I didn't check each and every one, it didn't look like there were any repeats. How would that lead to

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:08 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: But judging by the differences between the queries, this is more likely a known-plaintext attack on a WEP, a VPN, or similar. Okay, I might buy that, but what's it doing on our DNS server? This wasn't simply a misconfigured DNS

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:11:51PM -0500, Bruce Dawson wrote: Is it possible those strings are I18l names? (I seem to remember there being a movement a while back trying to international-ize the DNS space.) Like punycoded? Seems like you'd just see ASCII names starting with xn-- for that;

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:52:01 -0500 From: Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:08 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: But judging by the differences between the queries, this is more likely a known-plaintext attack on a WEP, a VPN, or similar. Okay, I might buy

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Mark E. Mallett m...@mv.mv.com wrote: It's possible that somebody's testing using random query names instead of . -- . is pretty easy to look for in the logs, but the random names are more difficult. So why not just query for google.com. or something else

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Bruce Dawson
Is it possible those strings are I18l names? (I seem to remember there being a movement a while back trying to international-ize the DNS space.) --Bruce Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Mark E. Mallett m...@mv.mv.com wrote: It's possible that somebody's testing using random

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Okay, I might buy that, but what's it doing on our DNS server? If the payload space being searched included the destination IP field, the destination IP could just coincidentally have been that of liberty. Maybe I'm

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:58:51 -0500 From: Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Okay, I might buy that, but what's it doing on our DNS server? If the payload space being searched included the destination IP field, the destination

Re: Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM, virgins...@vfemail.net wrote: Close. Known plaintext is when you know the plaintext P1 for a corresponding ciphertext C1 and want to know the plaintext P2 for another ciphertext C2. There are many ways of achieving that, but the most *general* is finding the

Odd log messages from ISC BIND named

2009-02-02 Thread Ben Scott
So, we had around 100 of these show up in the log from Sunday on liberty.gnhlug.org, all from the same IP address, all with similar but apparently never the same name pattern: client 192.0.2.42 query (cache) 'aaccmmfwxdlaaabaaafbbfpg/NS/IN' denied: 1 Time(s) client 192.0.2.42 query