On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09/19/2008 10:26 AM, Thomas Charron wrote:
>> However, if you can do anything root can do without it asking for a
>> password explicity, one has to ask.. Why not just run as root at that
>> point. If there is no isol
Sudo is available for Solaris on the Solaris Software Companion CD that
ships with
Solaris, and also is freely available from:
http://www.sun.com/solaris/freeware
But RBAC is very tightly woven into Solaris..
JFeole
--
Nigel Stewart wrote:
>>> Well, I suppose it means anyone with admin right
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> and "synaptic" and "update manager" provide 2 bundled friendly front
>> ends for desktop Ubuntu users scared of the commandline.
>
> Which, ironically enough, generally scare the users of the command line. :-D
indeed
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 07:36, Jerry Feldman wrote:
>> I don't agree that it is a bug. When I first installed Ubuntu, I
>> was used to the root password, and it was confusing for a while.
>
> So, what benefits are there to usi
On Sep 19, 2008, at 07:36, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> I don't agree that it is a bug. When I first installed Ubuntu, I
> was used to the root password, and it was confusing for a while.
So, what benefits are there to using the root password vs. using sudo
and the user password? I can think of l
>> Well, I suppose it means anyone with admin rights would at least be
>> able to have different desktops. *shrug*
>>
>>
> Essentially, Ubuntu uses sudo. So, when a desktop user with admin rights
> wants to do something that requires root access, the user's password is
> requested, not the
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 09/18/2008 07:53 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
> >> On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
> >>> What do you need the root password to d
On 09/19/2008 10:26 AM, Thomas Charron wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 09/18/2008 07:53 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
What do you need the root password to do in Fedora?
If yo
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 07:07 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote:
> > "apt" is analogous to "yum".
> > "dpkg" is analogous to "rpm".
>
> and "synaptic" and "update manager" provide 2 bundled friendly front
> ends for desktop Ubuntu users scared of the commandline.
And likewise, PackageKit and yumex for Fed
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 09/18/2008 07:53 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
>>> What do you need the root password to do in Fedora?
>> If you run any GUI admin tools it'll ask you for the root password.
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Bill Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "apt" is analogous to "yum".
>> "dpkg" is analogous to "rpm".
> and "synaptic" and "update manager" provide 2 bundled friendly front
> ends for desktop Ubuntu users scared of the commandline.
Which, ironically enough, g
On 09/18/2008 07:53 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
What do you need the root password to do in Fedora?
If you run any GUI admin tools it'll ask you for the root password.
This is a bug, IMNSHO - if the user has sudo rights that should be
s
> "apt" is analogous to "yum".
> "dpkg" is analogous to "rpm".
and "synaptic" and "update manager" provide 2 bundled friendly front
ends for desktop Ubuntu users scared of the commandline.
--
Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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gnhlug-discu
On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:49, mike ledoux wrote:
> What do you need the root password to do in Fedora?
If you run any GUI admin tools it'll ask you for the root password.
This is a bug, IMNSHO - if the user has sudo rights that should be
sufficient, with or without a raster display.
Even Apple
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My experience with Ubuntu is that if you install b43-fwcutter on Ubuntu (not
> the legacy bcm43xx-wcutter) the firmware will be installed.
Well, that's good to know. Unfortunately, I've most often been
trying to do this
On 09/18/2008 03:58 PM, Ben Scott wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just to add some more evidence as to the current solid state of Linux
wireless support...
In my experience, it has also depended on the packaging policies of
the distribu
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 15:58 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just to add some more evidence as to the current solid state of Linux
> > wireless support...
>
> In my experience, it has also depended on the packaging policies of
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Jarod Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to add some more evidence as to the current solid state of Linux
> wireless support...
In my experience, it has also depended on the packaging policies of
the distribution and the hardware one happens to have. In pa
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 15:27 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> peachy :-)
> As an example, I use WPA here in the office, no encryption at MIT, and
> WPA 128 at home. Ater a Jarod Wilson discussion a while ago, I maindo do
> suspend and my system is able to easily detect the wireless and connect
> to
peachy :-)
As an example, I use WPA here in the office, no encryption at MIT, and
WPA 128 at home. Ater a Jarod Wilson discussion a while ago, I maindo do
suspend and my system is able to easily detect the wireless and connect
to it. Last night John Abreau had his wireless on and I connected to
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
> Ah-ha! So, even though the driver is so new the paint hasn't dried
> yet, somebody has still pac
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
Ah-ha! So, even though the driver is so new the paint hasn't dried
yet, somebody has still packaged it up for Ubuntu. Nice.
Bruce, you may want to give Ubuntu a tr
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> From what I recall from list discussions a few months ago, the drivers
>>> were rather experimental, but they were Open Source. I thought the
>>> "
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From what I recall from list discussions a few months ago, the drivers
>> were rather experimental, but they were Open Source. I thought the
>> "restricted driver manager" in Ubuntu was for binary-only drivers.
>
> Depe
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
>>
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:38 -0400, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Arc Riley wrote:
> > Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
> > it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
> > Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
>> included?
>
> Yes, you simply have to run the restricted driver manager a
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
> included?
Yes, you simply have to run the restricted driver manager and 'turn them on'.
> Can one use apt with Ubuntu? Does that get one out of most
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 09:32:43AM -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote:
> Here's the things that Ubuntu gets right, at least on the desktop:
[...]
> - no need for root. There's almost no need to log in as root. You're
> automatically set up with sudo access and everything goes through that.
> For a d
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Darrell Michaud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bruce Labitt wrote:
>> Ubuntu uses a different package manager, does it really matter?
>
> My feeling is that too much is made of this.
I agree, although I think it goes beyond just the package manager
debate. I beli
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Labitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can one use apt with Ubuntu?
Ubuntu uses apt for its package management front-end and dependency
management, so not only can one use with Ubuntu, one *must* use apt
with Ubuntu. :)
"apt" is analogous to "yum".
"dpk
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Neil Joseph Schelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dependency hell in a Debian system largely would come from using packages
> outside of the distribution for a different OS or different version.
As you note, "Dependency Hell" generally arrises when one attempts
t
Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Ubuntu uses a different package manager, does it really matter?
My feeling is that too much is made of this. I use RPM based distributions
and DEB based distributions interchangeably during the day. From a high
level user's perspective there is no real difference. There's sys
On Thursday 18 September 2008 09:48, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Can one use apt with Ubuntu? Does that get one out of most of
> dependency hell? I thought apt was similar (I believe many say even
> better) to yum and yast.
Dependency hell in a Debian system largely would come from using packages
out
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:38 -0400, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Arc Riley wrote:
> > Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
> > it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
> > Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
On 09/18/2008 09:48 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> Does Ubuntu support ATI/AMD video cards out of the box? 3D drivers
> included?
Not having used ATI cards in a long time, I can't answer either. A good
guess would tell me that they're at least supported in 2D mode and the
proprietary drivers for 3D
On 09/18/2008 09:38 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> At work, I need to set up stuff like a tftp server, a nfs server, dhcpd,
> and my favorite ;) 3D imaging using vtk, python, mayavi2, scipy, opengl
> etc. Is that a good fit? I don't know if that qualifies as a regular
> "desktop" user. How is thei
Mark Komarinski wrote:
> On 09/18/2008 08:57 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
>
>> What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
>> understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
>> manager, does it really matter?
>>
>>
snip
>> Here's the things that Ubun
Arc Riley wrote:
> Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of
> it's packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian.
> Using Debian packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already
> done.
>
> What makes Ubuntu special is a focus on regular "de
On 09/18/2008 08:57 AM, Bruce Labitt wrote:
> What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
> understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
> manager, does it really matter?
>
> My linux background is with SuSE, Fedora, Centos, and Scientific Linux
> w
Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian (apt) and draws many of it's
packages from Debian SID, however it is very much not Debian. Using Debian
packages as a base allows Ubuntu to build on work already done.
What makes Ubuntu special is a focus on regular "desktop users", aka "Linux
for Hu
What is unique or good about Ubuntu? What are its advantages? As I
understand it is based on Debian. Ubuntu uses a different package
manager, does it really matter?
My linux background is with SuSE, Fedora, Centos, and Scientific Linux
which use an rpm based package manager.
-Bruce
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