Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-08-01 Thread bscott
This has to be the all-time most inane discussion to ever occur on this list. Which is saying something. :-) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, at 4:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My preferences actually come from spending a lot of time at a model 35 > teletype. I think that has more to do with it the

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread plussier
In a message dated: 31 Jul 2003 20:45:43 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: >Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think in the end it's just a matter of what you're used to. I >> don't think a clear argument can be made that one or the other is >> better. > >Agreed. It's a matter of personal pr

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin D. Clark
"Tilly, Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the reason many techies hate the capslock key can be summed up in three > letters: A O L Yes, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] was pretty funny in his time. Regards, --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetacea

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:46:12AM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > If you want to use your caps lock key, use it. Myself and other > > people think that it is a useless key. [snip] > But why hate it? Remember, I said that I found the key to be usele

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Freeman
Derek Martin writes: > I would also point out that a PC-style keyboard is closer to a manual > typewriter keyboard, which has been around MUCH longer than Sun > workstations have. Which is no doubt why it was designed that way... > I'm inclined to think that those who hate capslock, and who pr

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Erik Price
Bill Freeman wrote: Then the very next keystroke that you should learn is "C-H K", which runs describe-key, which prompts for a key (combinatione), and displays the on line documentation for the command bound to the key. That's awesome! Thanks! Some initial playing with this command se

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Freeman
Erik Price writes: > I like emacs too, and use it whenever I'm logged into a server w/ssh, > but I don't think I know it too well -- I have no idea what those > keystrokes do!! ;) Then the very next keystroke that you should learn is "C-H K", which runs describe-key, which prompts for

RE: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Tilly, Lawrence
ct: Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:46:12AM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > If you want to use your caps lock key, use it. Myself and other > people think that it is a useless key.

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:58:51AM -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > > So I guess that what we're saying is that people who don't use > > > emacs need Caps-Lock, because their editors are toys? (For the humor > > > impaired: :^) ) > > > > (-: I guess

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Erik Price
Bob Bell wrote: And I actually don't see the big deal using your left pinky to hold down the shift key while you type. Granted, the sample line had a LOT of upper-case characters, and hitting caps-lock may be simpler, but I tried it both ways and holding down shift didn't really seem to slow

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Bob Bell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:18:43AM -0400, Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use vim, and I'm aware that it has such features, but I'm sorry, I can't see how punching capslock once when you start typing caps and a second time when you're done isn't less work than all those other key combinat

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Erik Price
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:15:09 EDT Erik Price said: I like emacs too, and use it whenever I'm logged into a server w/ssh, but I don't think I know it too well -- I have no idea what those keystrokes do!! ;) You should spend some time using the Emacs tu

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread pll
In a message dated: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:15:09 EDT Erik Price said: >I like emacs too, and use it whenever I'm logged into a server w/ssh, >but I don't think I know it too well -- I have no idea what those >keystrokes do!! ;) You should spend some time using the Emacs tutorial: C-h t should get

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Tom Buskey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Martin wrote: | I would also point out that a PC-style keyboard is closer to a manual | typewriter keyboard, which has been around MUCH longer than Sun | workstations have. Which is no doubt why it was designed that way... | I'm inclined to th

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Erik Price
Kevin D. Clark wrote: BTW, as a side comment: I like emacs, and I respect the fact that other people like different editors. For me, it isn't so important that people use a certain editor, but it is important that they learn how to use it *well*. I like emacs too, and use it whenever I'm logge

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Bob Bell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:38:08AM -0400, Bill Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin D. Clark writes: > > Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have to agree. I can't fathom why so many techies/coders make such > > comments... How do you type > > > > open( LOGFILE, O_RD

Re: The lack of need for Caps-Lock (was laptop keyboard replacement)

2003-07-31 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Bill Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Or, in this particular case, after typing the semicolon (or at least > the close parenthesis): > > C-@ C-M-B C-X C-U > > You may have to follow this with a space (or a "Y" or a "!") if > C-X C-U is in its default disabled state. Oh, ri