Re: OT: Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-13 Thread ksandre
Derek Martin wrote: Finally, geeks tend to be (in my experience, anyway) a bit more idealistic than the average non-techie. heh. In case you missed it, this UFie is worth the look: Different takes on [F911] http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040711mode=classic

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-13 Thread Greg Rundlett
Greg Rundlett wrote: My site was owned and defaced. It looks like the mediawiki script that I recently installed to create a free-software community may have opened the 'door' to the site being compromised. This is unconfirmed however. I ruled out the possibility of mediawiki being the one to

Re: OT: Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-10 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:58:59PM -0400, Marc Nozell wrote: gnhlug = greater new hampshire libertarian users group? ;-) For those folks interested in discussing political theories, libertarian or otherwise, here are some websites that may interest you. This mailing list is dedicated to

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-10 Thread Randy Edwards
The last thing I would want to see is the FBI or the Police grow *stronger* from stuff like this. They are bad enough as it is. Why, just because we have the world's highest percentage of people in prison and the police can snatch citizen and non-citizen alike and hold them without

Re: [OT] fix Everything, Was: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-09 Thread Fred
On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 19:44, Jeff Kinz wrote: ... Ok, even with my liberal interpretation of what is and istn' on-topic here, I think this thread has only a tenuous connection to it, so I'm gonna stop here. Plus there's another accursed mosquito in my room, so I'm going to have to spend

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-09 Thread Fred
On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Likewise, conspiracy theory validity aside, when it is demonstrably true that there are bad guys willing to fly airliners full of people into tall buildings to make a political point, what is the best way to deal with the problem? How

OT: Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-09 Thread Marc Nozell
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:12, Fred wrote: On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There's the area for libertarians to engage, btw, businesses care only about money and not at all about rights, so this is the danger zone with law enforcement encroachment!) gnhlug =

Re: OT: Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-09 Thread Fred
On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 16:58, Marc Nozell wrote: On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:12, Fred wrote: On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (There's the area for libertarians to engage, btw, businesses care only about money and not at all about rights, so this is the danger zone

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-08 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 11:12:05PM -0400, Anonymous wrote: On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 10:37, Jeff Kinz wrote: On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 02:15:36AM -0400, ksandre wrote: /me finds it hard to imagine $10K worth of grafiti. Then you wouldn't mind if someone spray painted your car with some,

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-08 Thread Michael ODonnell
*The Attack* From what I've uncovered, there is a file called phpexplorer.php (file management script with upload capability) which appeared in my OSCommerce catalog directory on May 18th. I verified that this file is not contained in my local development server, and not in the distributed

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-08 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:06:05PM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. --Hanlon's Razor; variations variously attributed to Goethe, Napoleon Bonaparte, William James, Robert Heinlein, and the possibly apocryphal Robert J.

[OT] fix Everything, Was: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-08 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 03:51:12AM +0900, Derek Martin wrote: On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 01:06:05PM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. It's incomplete though. What if there's ample evidence of malice? Well, thats a different

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-08 Thread bmcculley
To the GNHLUG mail list - Sorry for the long post. This discussion is getting very involved. My apologies also, but I'm going to try to put it on a track that suits the group purpose, but first my obligatory off-topic political comment (those looking for something on-topic for the group search

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-07 Thread ksandre
Fred wrote: snip The last thing I would want to see is the FBI or the Police grow *stronger* from stuff like this. They are bad enough as it is. snip Considering that website defacement, while a PITA [see I am learning acronyms!], is essentially akin to grafiti, it would be a shame to further

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-07 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:00:15PM -0400, Fred wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: ... That said, however, definitely file a report with the Police or FBI. Adding more numbers to that category of crime will raises the budgetary value of enforcing those laws at all levels

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-07 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 02:15:36AM -0400, ksandre wrote: Fred wrote: The last thing I would want to see is the FBI or the Police grow *stronger* from stuff like this. They are bad enough as it is. snip Considering that website defacement, while a PITA [see I am learning acronyms!], is

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-07 Thread Fred
On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 09:41, Jeff Kinz wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:00:15PM -0400, Fred wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: ... That said, however, definitely file a report with the Police or FBI. Adding more numbers to that category of crime will raises the

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-07 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 12:17:44AM -0400, Fred wrote: By reporting these crimes you help generate data that raises these types of crimes importance in enforcement mindset, which will eventually result in resources being allocated away from taking liberties with liberty, (if that is your

Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-06 Thread Greg Rundlett
My site was owned and defaced. It looks like the mediawiki script that I recently installed to create a free-software community may have opened the 'door' to the site being compromised. This is unconfirmed however. With the little investigation that I've had time to do, it looks like the

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-06 Thread Greg Rundlett
If they are not local, the community which they live in is probably interested in knowing who they are and what they do as well. Still no definate answers, mostly b/c I have not had time to do anything but redirect the site. But the logs show a significant amount of traffic from Saudi

Re: Site defaced - what next?

2004-08-06 Thread Fred
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 11:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: ... That said, however, definitely file a report with the Police or FBI. Adding more numbers to that category of crime will raises the budgetary value of enforcing those laws at all levels and so eventually law enforcement will get more resources