Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 03/09/2012 12:07 PM, David Rysdam wrote: > On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:30:19 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> As I alluded to above, IMHO, certifications tend to be living in the >> past. Things change so fast in our industry that by the time a >> certification qual is developed and made available, an

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread David Rysdam
On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 11:30:19 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > As I alluded to above, IMHO, certifications tend to be living in the > past. Things change so fast in our industry that by the time a > certification qual is developed and made available, and people take it, > things are already old and ou

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread David Hardy
What Jerry just said. Working in IT on and off since 1984 and looking at, starting, and trying to complete, several certification paths during that time, it was more or less a fool's game. No sooner did we come close to finishing a cert, in Windows NT, for example, then Microsoft had a whole new

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread Jerry Feldman
In my experience, in the Unix/Linux marketplace for developers, I have not really seen where certifications are meaningful. Even in the area of system admins, things change so fast that certifications don't mean that much. There are some areas where certifications help, but that is in the Microsoft

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread David Rysdam
On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:05:19 -0500, "Brian St. Pierre" wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM, David Rysdam wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:17:05 -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: > >> I'm a sysadmin and have hired some in the past.  In the dot com era, we > >> would sort resumes by "lots of certs" and

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-09 Thread Brian St. Pierre
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:03 PM, David Rysdam wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:17:05 -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: >> I'm a sysadmin and have hired some in the past.  In the dot com era, we >> would sort resumes by "lots of certs" and experience.  Then we looked at >> the resumes with experience.  The ce

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread David Rysdam
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:17:05 -0500, Tom Buskey wrote: > I'm a sysadmin and have hired some in the past. In the dot com era, we > would sort resumes by "lots of certs" and experience. Then we looked at > the resumes with experience. The certs got looked at if we couldn't find > experience, but we

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread M D L
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:17:05 -0500 Tom Buskey wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Brian St. Pierre wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Mike wrote: > > > A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of > > > vendor independen

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread Tom Buskey
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Brian St. Pierre wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Mike wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of > > vendor independent certifications (that is, not another college degree) > > would help th

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Mike writes: > > A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of > vendor independent certifications (that is, not another college degree) > would help them get in the door in programming, web design, or system > administration? She is not mainly aski

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread Brian St. Pierre
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Mike wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of > vendor independent certifications (that is, not another college degree) > would help them get in the door in programming, web design, or system > administration? She i

Re: Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread Chris Linstid
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Mike wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of > vendor independent certifications (that is, not another college degree) > would help them get in the door in programming, web design, or system > administration

Vendor independent certifications?

2012-03-08 Thread Mike
A friend of mine is looking for a career change and asks what sort of vendor independent certifications (that is, not another college degree) would help them get in the door in programming, web design, or system administration? She is not mainly asking about actual education, but rather how to