Rethinking Supported language

2008-03-10 Thread Yair Hershkovitz
Hi, I've added notes on this issue in gnome wiki. http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/LanguageCompletionStatus Referenced from http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject. Please comment, fix or add other proposals. Yair. ___ gnome-i18n mailing

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-23 Thread Duarte Loreto
Hello I'm not very verbose on the list but I believe I should step in this talk. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:57:45 +0100 From: Kenneth Nielsen Subject: Re: Rethinking Supported language To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Frankly, I

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-23 Thread Yair Hershkovitz
changes from 52% to 57% And so on... On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Duarte Loreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I'm not very verbose on the list but I believe I should step in this talk. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:57:45 +0100 From: Kenneth Nielsen Subject: Re: Rethinking Supported

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-23 Thread Yair Hershkovitz
step in this talk. Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:57:45 +0100 From: Kenneth Nielsen Subject: Re: Rethinking Supported language To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Frankly, I hadn't been convinced by any of the proposals

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-21 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
But I think that simply removing it is a unnecessary quick and dirty-fix to something which is essentially a start up problem. I don't believe it is a start up problem. You see, we (the Dutch team) aren't about to devote any precious free time to translations that literally no one

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
I think that developers is a usergroup that it would be impolity not to include in the group we mentally consider as ordinary users worthy og our attention :) . Considering that at present there is a big difference between the user group composition that GNOME and the GNU/Linux community _would

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2008-02-19 klockan 14:55 skrev Wouter Bolsterlee: My proposal is: only use the modules from the developer platform, desktop and administration tools when calculating the 80% coverage statistic (i.e. all module sets but the developer tools). (I'm replying to myself since that is the start of

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Claude Paroz
Le mercredi 20 février 2008 à 13:27 +0100, Johannes Schmid a écrit : Hi! What about a different approach: In the release notes, there should be placeholder for translators to say my language is supported. So everybody translating the release notes will have the chance to put his language

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Op woensdag 20-02-2008 om 12:37 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Wouter Bolsterlee: Don't count strings in the Developer Tools suite to decide whether a language should show up in the release notes as being 'supported' (i.e. 80% string coverage). That's all. +1 Thoughts? Yes, one more

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Kenneth Nielsen
Frankly, I hadn't been convinced by any of the proposals until now. The 80%/50% rules are not perfect, but unless we have some serious method to be more accurate, like Danilo proposed in his D-L HACKING file, I don't see any reason to change it now. +1

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! What about a different approach: In the release notes, there should be placeholder for translators to say my language is supported. So everybody translating the release notes will have the chance to put his language and name at the appropriate place, regardless of any 80% rule. Regards,

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-20 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Hi Kenneth, Op woensdag 20-02-2008 om 13:09 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Kenneth Nielsen: But I think that simply removing it is a unnecessary quick and dirty-fix to something which is essentially a start up problem. I don't believe it is a start up problem. You see, we (the Dutch team)

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Mişu Moldovan
Ihar Hrachyshka [EMAIL PROTECTED] a scris: 2008/2/19 Mişu Moldovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not against translating them, it's just that they are of no use to regular users. Who are these regular users, hum? Am I not regular? If regular users don't need these tools then - just drop them! If

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
2008/2/19 Mişu Moldovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wouter Bolsterlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] a scris: Currently, http://www.gnome.org/i18n/ states that a language is officially supported if 80% of the PO files is translated. I think this measure is no longer valid for modern Gnome releases, because of

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
On Feb 19, 2008 5:14 PM, F Wolff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Dinsdag 2008-02-19 skryf Wouter Bolsterlee: Dear all, Currently, http://www.gnome.org/i18n/ states that a language is officially supported if 80% of the PO files is translated. I think this measure is no longer valid for

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Djihed Afifi
After reading the discussion, I propose doing away with these labels all together. Scrap them. They seem to be bringing more harm than good, people don't even agree on what the meaning of supported is, what packages to count..etc And it's probably also a per language thing. Different

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Mişu Moldovan
Ihar Hrachyshka [EMAIL PROTECTED] a scris: 2008/2/19 Mişu Moldovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ihar Hrachyshka [EMAIL PROTECTED] a scris: 2008/2/19 Mişu Moldovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not against translating them, it's just that they are of no use to regular users. Who are these regular

Re: Rethinking Supported language

2008-02-19 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 19 février 2008, à 14:55 +0100, Wouter Bolsterlee a écrit : My proposal is: only use the modules from the developer platform, desktop and administration tools when calculating the 80% coverage statistic (i.e. all module sets but the developer tools). What do you think? FWIW, I'd