Alexandre Oliva escribió:
> On Aug 19, 2009, Daniel Olivera wrote:
>
>> UTUTO only distribute 4 freedom software that is our law.
>
> http://www.ututo.org/web/modules/definitions/definitions.php
>
> [1] UTUTO es y será siempre un proyecto en el marco de la filosofía
> GNU.
>
> My attempt t
Karl Goetz escribió:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:23:50 -0500
> k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) wrote:
>
>> Bind is bsd license.
>> Don't use dnssafe and recompile a packages.
>>
>> Sure, that would be an alternative approach. However, since bind8 is
>> long since deprecated, the simplest w
On Aug 20, 2009, Karl Goetz wrote:
> If my reading of [1] is correct, the only compiling required for b43
> chips (broadcoms) is to build the openfwwf firmware.
If the kernel is Linux 2.6.30 or above, yes.
Some code was added to support openfwwf explicitly (some differences in
file format, IIUC
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:52:48 -0300
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>
> > 2009/8/19 Alexandre Oliva :
> >> On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
[ trimmed the extended context... hopefully it wasn't needed ]
> Informing the user that there is a way to run non-Fr
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:18:39 +0300
Yavor Doganov wrote:
> Karl Goetz wrote:
> > Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> > thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development
> > on free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it
> > comes to
bind?
Bind is bsd license.
That seems strange to me too. Could someone explain why there is a
problem with Bind?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:46:11 +0200
Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> Reported by Marcooliva:
>
> http://trisquel.info/en/issues/tatan-10-license-not-found
>
> 1 - I did not find the license.
>
I can't find this package in Hardy or gNS. Was it imported to Trisquel
specially?
kk
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:17:29 +0200
Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Karl Goetz schreef:
> > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:44:27 +0200
> > Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> > - its a problem because it encourages installing non-free software
> > (an example of this is suggesting installing adobe flash on flash
> > based we
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:23:50 -0500
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) wrote:
> Bind is bsd license.
> Don't use dnssafe and recompile a packages.
>
> Sure, that would be an alternative approach. However, since bind8 is
> long since deprecated, the simplest way forward for modern
> distrib
On Aug 19, 2009, Daniel Olivera wrote:
> UTUTO only distribute 4 freedom software that is our law.
http://www.ututo.org/web/modules/definitions/definitions.php
[1] UTUTO es y será siempre un proyecto en el marco de la filosofía
GNU.
My attempt to translate it to English (this remains in Sp
Bind is bsd license.
Don't use dnssafe and recompile a packages.
Sure, that would be an alternative approach. However, since bind8 is
long since deprecated, the simplest way forward for modern distributions
is not to use it. bind9 does not have the problematic nonfree dnssafe
stuff. As
Diego Saravia escribió:
>> I'm lost. Does this mean that Ututo's kernel is already not requesting
>> non-free firmware, but you'd like to change it back?
>
> we were the first to not distribute blobs and continue with that
>
> the diferences are several
>
> 1) ututo do not distribute propietary
Reported by Marcooliva:
http://trisquel.info/en/issues/tatan-10-license-not-found
1 - I did not find the license.
2 - tatan/import has many files without license, and, many files with code
similar to, example:
In tatan/import/opengl.d -> " 0x0102 " .
3 - tatan/src/util has many files without
Karl Goetz schreef:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:44:27 +0200
Sam Geeraerts wrote:
- its a problem because it encourages installing non-free software (an
example of this is suggesting installing adobe flash on flash based
websites).
This one.
So if we suggest these addons, by having that code incl
On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>>
>> I'm lost. Does this mean that Ututo's kernel is already not requesting
>> non-free firmware, but you'd like to change it back?
> we were the first to not distribute blobs and continue with that
But that's not what you claimed UTUTO didn't do, and you
On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
Err... Where did you get that idea?
There are Free Flash/Shockwave programs.
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On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
> 2009/8/19 Alexandre Oliva :
>> On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>> The important question is whether a particular piece of data is
>> information for practical use.
> I do not agree with that concept
> For me is equal relevant non free software, th
Diego Saravia wrote:
> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
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2009/8/19 Diego Saravia :
> El 19 de agosto de 2009 15:24, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez escribió:
>>
>>> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
>>> ok not program, but content
>>>
>>> and of course world is not a static place, perhaps today we do not
>>> have a free firmware
El 19 de agosto de 2009 15:24, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez escribió:
>
>> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
>> ok not program, but content
>>
>> and of course world is not a static place, perhaps today we do not
>> have a free firmware, but tomorow yes
>>
>> so this *o
> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
> ok not program, but content
>
> and of course world is not a static place, perhaps today we do not
> have a free firmware, but tomorow yes
>
> so this *only* have a complex timeframe: today, always?
If you are actually s
2009/8/19 Alexandre Oliva :
> On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>
>> trying to separate code from data is like argue about angel's shoulders
>
> There seems to be an assumed dichotomy here that isn't true.
>
>> every data codification could be use to encode software, or seen as software
>
> Ev
2009/8/19 Yavor Doganov :
> Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>> The point is that we should never distribute a piece of software
>> that can *only* work if the user feeds it with a non-free
>> program.
>
> This sentence nicely summarizes the whole topic of this discussion.
>
> Thank you.
>
welcome to
>
> I'm lost. Does this mean that Ututo's kernel is already not requesting
> non-free firmware, but you'd like to change it back?
we were the first to not distribute blobs and continue with that
the diferences are several
1) ututo do not distribute propietary content (other than software)
2) utu
On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
> 2009/8/18 Karl Berry :
>> name = "some/firmware.bin";
>> if (request_firmware (&fw, name, dev) < 0) {
>> how about if the GPL'd code is included, but with a disabled firmware
>> loading mechanism
> its what ututo does
Oh, nice that you guys fix
On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
> trying to separate code from data is like argue about angel's shoulders
There seems to be an assumed dichotomy here that isn't true.
> every data codification could be use to encode software, or seen as software
Every piece of code is data, true. And ir
Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> The point is that we should never distribute a piece of software
> that can *only* work if the user feeds it with a non-free
> program.
This sentence nicely summarizes the whole topic of this discussion.
Thank you.
On Aug 19, 2009, Karl Goetz wrote:
> Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled?
In principle, it doesn't have to. But the way this mechanism was
designed in Linux, the kernel has to explictly decide to request some
file that happens to be known to be non-Free.
> I'd have thought
> Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development on
> free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it comes to
> testing them).
I don't know if such a driver encourages or helps developers (I thin
Karl Goetz wrote:
> Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development on
> free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it comes to
> testing them).
Not that I know much about driver and/or firmware d
El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 09:51 -0300, Diego Saravia escribió:
> > Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> > thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development on
> > free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it comes to
> > testing them).
Diego Saravia wrote:
> and if we dont have drivers and blobs for all hardware?
People who insist on their freedom will replace or simply forget about
those devices for the time being. That's what I do.
But you are missing the point. Those programs (antiword, AbiWord,
OOo, etc.) do not depend on
> Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development on
> free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it comes to
> testing them).
> kk
$agree++;
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diego.sara...@gmail.com
NO FUNCIONA
> Is it my imagination or is the text on the edit page smaller then when
> viewing normally?
No, it was the opposite. It's fixed now.
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:06:22 +0200
Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 16:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:25:23 +0200
> > Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> >
> > > El vie, 14-08-2009 a las 14:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > The f
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:40:24 +0200
Daniel Olivera wrote:
> Karl Goetz escribió:
> > On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:06:22 +0200
> > Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> >
> >> El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 16:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:25:23 +0200
> >>> Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote
Karl Goetz escribió:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:06:22 +0200
> Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>
>> El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 16:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:25:23 +0200
>>> Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>>>
El vie, 14-08-2009 a las 14:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
>>>
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:06:22 +0200
Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 16:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:25:23 +0200
> > Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
> >
> > > El vie, 14-08-2009 a las 14:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > The f
El mié, 19-08-2009 a las 16:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:25:23 +0200
> Rubén Rodríguez Pérez wrote:
>
> > El vie, 14-08-2009 a las 14:10 +0930, Karl Goetz escribió:
> > > Hi all,
> > > The following software seems to be removed from gNS but not listed
> > > on the share
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