Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread David Craven
And to be clear I never suggested adding the raspberry pi firmware to a FSDG compliant distribution. I don't think the suggestion I made actually qualifies the raspberry pi firmware - or any current firmware for that matter. It was made to encourage hardware manufacturers that are willing to dip a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread David Craven
> David, I think you need to give up wasting your time trying to convince > a Gnu/Linux *Libre* list that proprietary kernel blobs are a good idea. > Most people are here because they care more about freedom than getting > the support of every manufacturer on the market. If you want to make > headw

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread Christopher Howard
Some folks are working a free firmware for Rpi2: https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi2 What you say below is not necessarily true. You can buy libre systems. Of course, sometimes they cost more... but in a non-ideal world freedom sometimes comes with a price. Anyway, the point of projects like thi

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread David Craven
> About that conversation involving some GuixSD user: He gave that kind of > recommendation so easily? I'm shocked... The irony is that unless you know as much about hardware as Denis you ARE USING NON-FREE FIRMWARE. As proven by you suggestion to simply use a different distro.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
About that conversation involving some GuixSD user: He gave that kind of recommendation so easily? I'm shocked... Unless the conversation was cut somewhere, I didn't see indication that you wanted/want to develop free/libre replacement for the non-free software needed for RPI 2 to work. In this ca

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread Julie Marchant
On 02/14/2017 01:43 PM, David Craven wrote: > No thank you. I don't want to use binary blobs. I'll just use another > distro until guixsd works without binary blobs. GuixSD isn't what requires binary blobs. The hardware is. These other distros you use come with these proprietary blobs, and GuixSD

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread David Craven
Hi Denis, Thank you for your extensive feedback. > With that we can still use WiFi by ignoring the intel wifi card and > using an USB wifi card instead. I considered using this option but realized that I had a buggy thunderbolt controller in my laptop, that I can only update from a windows compu

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread Maxim Cournoyer
Hi David, David Craven writes: >> I had followed some earlier developments but had lost track recently! >> I'm happy to see that they have released the sources of their >> microcontroller chip design. > > It's more than a microcontroller chip design. The people behind sifive are > from uc berkel

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 15:37:32 +0100 David Craven wrote: > This leads to two models of loading the firmware that runs on the MCU. > > 1. The peripheral does not contain persistent storage and the firmware > is loaded by the linux kernel through a standard API. When using the Linux kernel, the firmw

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Free firmware - A redefinition of the term and a new metric for it's measurement.

2017-02-14 Thread David Craven
> I had followed some earlier developments but had lost track recently! > I'm happy to see that they have released the sources of their > microcontroller chip design. It's more than a microcontroller chip design. The people behind sifive are from uc berkeley and also developed a full gcc toolchain