Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread Zlatan Todoric
[CC'ing Chris so he can elaborate on this. Side note, he and few other Purism folks are at LibrePlanet] On 03/26/2018 12:58 PM, bill-auger wrote: > On 03/25/2018 05:58 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: >> Debian kernel itself is entirely free but there was issues with messages >> th

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-26 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 03/26/2018 04:24 AM, bill-auger wrote: > On 03/25/2018 01:26 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: >> we already passed the distro >> review, you can either help us get better >> or try to fix review process if you >> feel unhappy about it. > the assumption here seems to b

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 3/25/18 7:56 PM, Robert Call wrote: On Sun, 2018-03-25 at 19:26 +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 3/25/18 5:28 PM, Robert Call wrote: On Sun, 2018-03-25 at 11:58 +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 3/24/18 6:51 PM, bill-auger wrote: * pureos has a long-standing open request to remove chromium

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 3/25/18 5:28 PM, Robert Call wrote: On Sun, 2018-03-25 at 11:58 +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 3/24/18 6:51 PM, bill-auger wrote: * pureos has a long-standing open request to remove chromium in solidarity with the other FSDG distros - that issue is o/c a separate can of worms; but i think

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] DSFG in perpetuity

2018-03-25 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 3/24/18 6:51 PM, bill-auger wrote: > > * pureos has a long-standing open request to remove chromium in > solidarity with the other FSDG distros - that issue is o/c a separate > can of worms; but i think all distros should be projecting a uniform > message, however vague the circumstance, until

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] PureOS added to endorsed distro list - what about the kernel?

2017-12-22 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 12/22/2017 06:41 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Hi Henry, > > > On 12/22/2017 05:18 PM, Henry Jensen wrote: >> Hallo, >> >> congratulations for adding a great distro to the list. >> >> However, it seems that PureOS is not using the linux-libre kern

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] PureOS added to endorsed distro list - what about the kernel?

2017-12-22 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi Henry, On 12/22/2017 05:18 PM, Henry Jensen wrote: > Hallo, > > congratulations for adding a great distro to the list. > > However, it seems that PureOS is not using the linux-libre kernel but a > kernel based on Debian's Linux kernel. Yes, that is correct. > > When I tried to get Connochaet

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] I can also bring tons of examples to illustrate a point, even big data, 3D, and cake (was Re: 10 minutes, and uzbl browser became usable)

2016-11-15 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/15/2016 05:31 PM, hellekin wrote: On 11/15/2016 02:57 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: The only one treating users dumb here is you and your pal. I think you misread an posted in anger, Zlatan. Matt first mentioned that "users are not dumb", but that's besides the point. T

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] 10 minutes, and uzbl browser became usable

2016-11-15 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/15/2016 03:15 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:57:07 +0200 Zlatan Todoric wrote Devuan is IMHO just a joke (https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ Sounds like you're attacking a free software project, too. Indeed but I will point difference between system

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] 10 minutes, and uzbl browser became usable

2016-11-15 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/15/2016 01:49 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, Jean Louis wrote: When software is distributed to a mechanic, telling him indirectly, that he is dumb, and he shall use click/pray to search Google and watch videos, and nothing more, this is leading him nowhere. just wanted to say

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Was tempted to reply but didn't want to make it public, so here is PM to you On 11/11/2016 12:38 AM, Matt Lee wrote: There are lots of alternatives to proprietary software listed here: http://www.fsf.org/working-together/moving -- for both OS X and Windows users. One does not simply use forb

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Skeleton GNU/Linux

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
(sorry for another off-topic post) On 11/11/2016 12:09 AM, Jean Louis wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:49:35PM +0100, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 11/10/2016 11:26 PM, Jean Louis wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 05:09:52PM -0500, Matt Lee wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jean Louis

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Skeleton GNU/Linux

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/10/2016 11:26 PM, Jean Louis wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 05:09:52PM -0500, Matt Lee wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Jean Louis wrote: I am glad for that. Personally, I am avoiding it due to larger size, and compiling taking time. I am using now Dillo, Xombrero, uzbl and sur

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Perfectionism

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, On 11/10/2016 09:46 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: Your summary of this thread could hardly be less correct. We already identified at least one problem with the OS itself: the presence of the stock firefox. No one is upset at Purism for putting PureOS on their hardware, but we suggested a clear

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/10/2016 02:11 PM, Julie Marchant wrote: On 11/10/2016 07:33 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: I am neglecting answers which want to steer company's business decisions and water discussion into hardware and not to OS certification. Nobody has raised objections to PureOS being pre-install

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/10/2016 12:13 PM, Jaromil wrote: dear Ivan, On Wed, 09 Nov 2016, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: Zlatan, you should probably try to get this sorted out through the official channels, and cite the Trisquel's supported laptop list as an example. it can't get "more official" than this, really. u

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-10 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, On 11/10/2016 09:34 AM, hellekin wrote: On 11/09/2016 01:43 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Hi all (again), we are restarting the process of getting PureOS as FSF endorsed OS. We built new infrastructure and released alpha 2 image publicly so we want to march together on this road with you and

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/09/2016 10:55 PM, Ivan Zaigralin wrote: By non-free hardware I mean specifically the hardware with non-free software pre-installed or the hardware that won't work without non-free software. I did not mean to make a statement about "free hardware" proper, whatever that might be. And I co

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/09/2016 06:08 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: On 09.11.2016 18:42, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 11/09/2016 05:24 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: What browser the PureBrowser is based on? What add-on repository does it use? It is based on Firefox ESR and it will have two xul

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hello Tiberiu-Cezar, On 11/09/2016 05:24 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: Hello, What browser the PureBrowser is based on? What add-on repository does is use? It is based on Firefox ESR and it will have two xul extension from archive (https and ublock). We discovered bug (non-responsive t

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/09/2016 05:13 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2016, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 11/09/2016 04:52 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2016, Zlatan Todoric wrote: tl;dr - an 100% free distro should not include, recommend nor facilitate the installation of non-free software. a

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/09/2016 04:52 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2016, Zlatan Todoric wrote: tl;dr - an 100% free distro should not include, recommend nor facilitate the installation of non-free software. a bios firmware is also distributed software We do not recommend nor

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 11/09/2016 04:33 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2016, Jean Louis wrote: On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 10:05:05PM +1100, Riley Baird wrote: Jean Louis, these points aren't really relevant - we're considering whether the OS is free, not the hardware. May I be more precise, the purpose of disc

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
ld Trisquel become nonfree if we choose to sell it with our hardware? You asked for comments, you got it. I am not member of FSF, even I made few small contributions. I am just somebody out there, sitting in the town of Geita, Tanzania. Jean Louis On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 01:43:59AM +0100,

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-11-08 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi all (again), we are restarting the process of getting PureOS as FSF endorsed OS. We built new infrastructure and released alpha 2 image publicly so we want to march together on this road with you and see the final release of PureOS 3.0 as FSF endorsement of PureOS. Image available for download

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-06-11 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 06/11/2016 03:45 AM, Julie Marchant wrote: * Your distro should not have users select official Debian GNU/Linux repos. These repos have contrib and nonfree areas and many Debian packages make it trivial easy to select the contrib and nonfree areas. Users don't need to be prevented from manu

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-06-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hello, On 06/09/2016 05:31 PM, Julie Marchant wrote: > I don't know whether or not PureOS is libre, but I just want to suggest that > anyone investigating this question be extra thorough. Purism has a history of > making promises they couldn't keep (namely the promise of making the "librem" >

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-06-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hello, On 06/09/2016 05:24 PM, Joshua Gay wrote: > * Can you tell us how you go about deblobbing the kernel? Did you base > your work on an existing set of scripts used to deblob the kernel or did > you write your own? We used libre kernel before but we now settled with Debian kernel which is si

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] review PureOS ISO

2016-06-09 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi all (I'm CTO of Purism) On 06/09/2016 02:57 PM, Riley Baird wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:35:24 +0300 > fr33domlover wrote: > >> On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:34:27 -0700 >> "Adrian Alves" wrote: >> >>> Hello FSF, >>> >>> We are Puri.sm our gnu/linux PureOS is a free based debian distro, >>> can