Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: [...] > Distributors of GPL code are required to make available the full > source code of all modules, All modules constituting a GPL derivative work (or original GPL'd stuff). One must be a total idiot to think that a preexisting BSD library is a derivative work of the

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > Qua, 2006-08-16 Ã s 08:01 +0200, Merijn de Weerd escreveu: > > Distributors of GPL code are required to make available the full > > source code of all modules, which would include the library. > > Please bear in mind that the GNU GPL makes no such requirement "

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Merijn de Weerd wrote: > [...] >> Distributors of GPL code are required to make available the full >> source code of all modules, > > All modules constituting a GPL derivative work (or original GPL'd > stuff). > > One must be a total idiot to thin

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Piss off, retard dak. Go to doctor. Hey Scott, see http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf and also this thread http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/browse_frm/thread/d861b94b44a742c6 (for relevant excerpts regarding GPL Terminology and Interpretation). r

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Piss off, retard dak. Go to doctor. It seems like I am already doing quite a good job at pissing you off without requiring external input, but thanks for the suggestion. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ___

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: > > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Piss off, retard dak. Go to doctor. > > It seems like I am already doing quite a good job at pissing you off > without requiring external input, but thanks for the suggestion. Man oh man, you're really krank. It does

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Piss off, retard dak. Go to doctor. >> >> It seems like I am already doing quite a good job at pissing you off >> without requiring external input, but thanks for t

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
I won't plonk you this time, idiot. Keep embarrassing yourself. MySQL won on trademark portion but lost on the GPL portion (which had nothing to do with trademarks) of its claim for preliminary injunctions. http://pacer.mad.uscourts.gov/dc/opinions/saris/pdf/progress%20software.pdf -- the Co

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- "Linus is just pissed at his own irrelevance"

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://trends.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=58048&cid=129508 (a comment regarding "Torvalds' comments on GPLv3 committees refuted") --- Re:Linus is just pissed at his own irrelevance (Score:0) By Anonymous Reader on 2006.08.06 4:02 (#129508) Don't confuse "Fame" with "Relevance". Torvalds wou

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- "RMS brownshirts", Bush, and Osama bin Laden

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://trends.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=58048&cid=129527 (a comment regarding "Torvalds' comments on GPLv3 committees refuted") -- Re:Cutting off nose to spite face (Score:0) By Anonymous Reader on 2006.08.06 12:40 (#129527) It really makes me ill that you RMS brownshirts are so willing t

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF member: "If this continues, I will have to reevaluate that commitment."

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://trends.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=57982&cid=129724 - Section 3 is not the problem (Score:0) By Anonymous Reader on 2006.08.10 18:47 (#129724) Section 1, paragraph 4 is. This section states that modified versions must be able to hide the fact that they're modified. Read it. Think abo

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Scott wrote: [...] > How does this work practically, then? Apart from libraries, you GPL your mother, brother, dad, and sisters. And on your free time, you don't copulate with GPL incompatible girls. Ask GNUtian ams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for details. He's an expert in GPL compatible sex affa

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Scott
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:01:22 +0200, Merijn de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Distributors of GPL code are required to make available the full >source code of all modules, which would include the library. So >yes you should include the source code of the library with all >the other source. Thank

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Stefaan A Eeckels
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:40:28 GMT Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For example is cairo or freetype considered > a 'system' library, or would I need to redistribute their source as > well? Is a link to their webpage sufficient? You can consider the complete GNOME framework (everything that GNOM

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:40:28 GMT > Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For example is cairo or freetype considered > > a 'system' library, or would I need to redistribute their source as > > well? Is a link to their webpage sufficient? > > You can consider the c

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/a721da94982d6288 "But if the OP is indeed the GPL, the OP cannot copulate with his wife unless she is licensed under terms that are compatible with the GNU GPL." -- GNUtian ams regards, alex

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-08-16, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One must be a total idiot to think that a preexisting BSD library is > a derivative work of the GPL'd "application". Are you a total idiot, > Merijn? The idiot is the one who can't read. I said that "Your application might be a deriv

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-08-16, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man oh man, you're really krank. It doesn't matter how you label computer > program works ("application" vs "library" is utterly irrelevant) which work > together in combination. In MySQL v. Progress, the Gemini (transactional > stora

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-08-16, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:01:22 +0200, Merijn de Weerd ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Distributors of GPL code are required to make available the full >>source code of all modules, which would include the library. So >>yes you should include the source

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: [... CONTAINS ***OR*** is DERIVED ...] Hey Merijn, drop an email to Professor Determann. http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf he must be missing the true meaning of "contains" (vs "mere aggregate"). Same as the GPL author himself, by the way.

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Stefaan A Eeckels
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:59:30 +0200 Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apart from libraries, you GPL your mother, brother, dad, and sisters. > > And on your free time, you don't copulate with GPL incompatible > girls. > > Ask GNUtian ams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for details. He's an exp

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Piss off, stupid Merijn. The FSF (apart from IBM, RedHat, and Novell) went on record in court of law (in Wallace case) regarding the scope of the GPL. It applies to derivative works and only derivative works. Non- derivative works distributed together with the GPL'd works fall under "mere aggreg

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Merijn de Weerd wrote: > > On 2006-08-16, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Man oh man, you're really krank. It doesn't matter how you label computer > > program works ("application" vs "library" is utterly irrelevant) which work > > together in combination. In MySQL v. Progress,

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Merijn de Weerd wrote: >> >> On 2006-08-16, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Man oh man, you're really krank. It doesn't matter how you label computer >> > program works ("application" vs "library" is utterly irrelevant) which wor

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread John Hasler
Scott writes: > Do I have to distribute the source code to every library I link to? You do not have to distribute the source of any library you link dynamically and do not distribute with your package. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA __

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: > > Merijn de Weerd wrote: > > [... CONTAINS ***OR*** is DERIVED ...] > > Hey Merijn, drop an email to Professor Determann. > > http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf and tell him that regarding -- The first sentence of Section 2 of t

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > GPL because the work as a whole has to be licensed under the GPL, Man oh man. Go back to doctor, retard. Try another one. http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf -- 2. GPL Terminology and Interpretation a) “Works based on the Program”

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > [...] >> GPL because the work as a whole has to be licensed under the GPL, > > Man oh man. Go back to doctor, retard. Try another one. > > http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf And another long qu

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: > > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > David Kastrup wrote: > > [...] > >> GPL because the work as a whole has to be licensed under the GPL, > > > > Man oh man. Go back to doctor, retard. Try another one. > > > > http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarec

Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Marcin Giedz
Hello once again, <> First of all, I've been looking for the most appropriate list for my problem and found this one. If I'm wrong and this list doesn't cover problems like I have really sorry and I'll unsubscribe immediately.* I've been searching/googling web sites to find out one question:

Re: license question with non-GPL library

2006-08-16 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-08-16, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/01/1052216&mode=nocomment > > "RMS: We have no say in what is considered a derivative work. That You *are* write-only. Kannst du kein Englisch lesen oder was? I just _told_ you this wasn't abou

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Merijn de Weerd
On 2006-08-16, Marcin Giedz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been searching/googling web sites to find out one question: is it > possible to use GPL software/part of code in commercial application WITH > VERY visible caption "THIS part comes from and is based on GPL > license"? What exact

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Man oh man, yet another schizophrenic. Merijn de Weerd wrote: [...] > requires you to acknowledge the presence of GPL software, but > also to make available all source code that has been derived > *from* the GPL software, if you distribute your software. "I just _told_ you this wasn't about what

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread John Hasler
Marcin Giedz writes: > I've been searching/googling web sites to find out one question: is it > possible to use GPL software/part of code in commercial application WITH > VERY visible caption "THIS part comes from and is based on GPL > license"? If you are the only copyright owner you can dis

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Marcin Giedz
John Hasler napisał(a): Marcin Giedz writes: I've been searching/googling web sites to find out one question: is it possible to use GPL software/part of code in commercial application WITH VERY visible caption "THIS part comes from and is based on GPL license"? If you are the only

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Marcin Giedz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello once again, > > <> > > First of all, I've been looking for the most appropriate list for my > problem and found this one. If I'm wrong and this list doesn't cover > problems like I have really sorry and I'll unsubscribe immediately.* > > I've been s

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > > application WITH VERY visible caption "THIS part comes from and > > is based on GPL license"? > > Only if the work as a whole is licensed under the GPL without further ^ | derivative --+ It means that "THIS part comes from and is

Re: Combining GPL and commercial license

2006-08-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > [...] >> > application WITH VERY visible caption "THIS part comes from and >> > is based on GPL license"? >> >> Only if the work as a whole is licensed under the GPL without further > ^ > | > de