Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
"Mike Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Question to the nice folks in g.m.d... > > I have a couple of nice patches I would like to contribute to > the Gentoo project, but I have some doubts. As some people > probably already know, Gentoo requires that their contributors > transfer copyright o

Re: More GPL questions

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > considered a derivative work. If I put instructions about where to > download a copy to be used against the intent of the license, am I not > party to the process? You are a party to GNU utter moronity, dak. Hey ams heads up, dak is new champion. regards, alexand

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Mike Cox wrote: [...] > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/copyright/index.xml "GNU...GNU...GNU...To summarize: copyright assignment refers to the process of legally changing the ownership of intellectual property". Hey ueber GNUtian ams, care to educate Gentoonians that "intellectual prop

Installer programs (was: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question)

2006-10-18 Thread CBFalconer
Michael Black wrote: > ... snip ... > > Individual distributions may have their own programs (such as the > installer programs), and they may compile the rest in different ways, > but generally there isn't much that is different from the rest. And > if a patch is actually useful to a program, it

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Dan Lyons reports: http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/bruce-perens-on-gplv3/ -- While we’re on the subject of the “price” of “free” software (a notion that may seem paradoxical to some), a while back I had a chance to speak with Bruce Perens, a well-known free software advocate, ab

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dan Lyons reports: > > http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/2006/10/17/bruce-perens-on-gplv3/ > > -- > While we’re on the subject of the “price” of “free” software (a notion > that may seem paradoxical to some), a while back I had a chance to spea

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
aka Hurd (Hird stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth") coined by Thomas Bushnell, BSG, the primary architect of the Hurd http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html (he was dismissed by RMS because he has publicly spoken against the GNU Free Documentation License http://lists.debian.o

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hey dak, both fellows have really good appetite (they should really try to eat a bit less). And speaking of Eben, http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1139911511108 (Meet the DotCommunist) - Moglen puts it more simply: "I know how to hook up people who have money with the people who have p

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread John Hasler
Michael writes: > If the bug is with a program, the patch should go to the program's > developer. If they are applying the patch to 3rd party programs, then > it's basically a fork, a new version of an existing program. When I receive a bug report on one of my packages with a patch that I think s

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey dak, both fellows have really good appetite (they should really try > to eat a bit less). RMS is not exactly known for a luxurious life style. > And speaking of Eben, > > http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1139911511108 > (Meet the DotComm

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > Uh, why should he? The law is his profession. Since when should a > person not get paid for doing his job? Are you getting paid for doing your GNU job? Your comrade ams seems to be on public support. http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/home/resume - Work Status: un

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Michael writes: > >> And if a patch is actually useful to a program, it should be folded >> into the actual program itself. > > Yes, but let the distribution forward it. If the distribution claims copyright on the patch, this can prevent it from being fol

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > [...] >> Uh, why should he? The law is his profession. Since when should a >> person not get paid for doing his job? > > Are you getting paid for doing your GNU job? I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You should file your bug report with your distribution and let them forward it. They will know whether the bug is truly in the upstream release or in something they have added and will be able to provide more information and testing and consolidate multiple reports of the same bug.

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
(4) In other places they claim they're doing this because GNU, Debian, and the BSDs are requiring copyright transfer as well [1]. Well I know that some GNU projects recommend it (emacs, libstdc++), but by far not all; and I have heard first hand that Debian not only does not require

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within the GNU > project, which is neither my job nor part of my job description. The And what is your "job description"? I'm just curious: once and for all, are you employed or not, dak? Or may be you're a lucky dot-

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Bruce Perens and world table

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > [...] >> I am not getting paid for the voluntary work I do within the GNU >> project, which is neither my job nor part of my job description. The > > And what is your "job description"? I'm just curious: once and for > all, a

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >(4) In other places they claim they're doing this because GNU, >Debian, and the BSDs are requiring copyright transfer as well >[1]. Well I know that some GNU projects recommend it (emacs, >libstdc++), but by far not all; and I have he

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Robert M. Riches Jr.
On 2006-10-18, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael writes: >> If the bug is with a program, the patch should go to the program's >> developer. If they are applying the patch to 3rd party programs, then >> it's basically a fork, a new version of an existing program. > > When I receive

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
[...] However, when I filed a bug report against Mandriva, I was told _I_ should file a report against upstream and then wait until the upstream developer released the fix and the fix was put into the next Mandriva release. The Mandriva person didn't want to get involved. That is e

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread John Hasler
Robert Riches writes: > John, what distribution are you involved with as a maintainer or > developer? Debian (where "maintainer" and "developer" mean the same thing). > However, when I filed a bug report against Mandriva, I was told _I_ > should file a report against upstream and then wait until

Re: Gentoo Linux copyright / CDDL question

2006-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Riches writes: >> John, what distribution are you involved with as a maintainer or >> developer? > > Debian (where "maintainer" and "developer" mean the same thing). > >> However, when I filed a bug report against Mandriva, I was told _I_ >> should

NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 18 October 2006 Bruce Kushnick on Bill Moyers show: Freedom, Privacy, and Our Net

2006-10-18 Thread secretary
From: "Bruce Kushnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:42:01 -0400 Dear SavetheInternet.com Coalition member, In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom and put Cong

NYC LOCAL: Thursday 19 October 2006 UNIGROUP: Steve Bellovin on Internet Security

2006-10-18 Thread secretary
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Unigroup_of_NY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Reminder: UNIGROUP Meeting 19-OCT-2006: Steven Bellovin on Internet Security Reminder announcement... Steve Bellovin at Unigroup tomorrow evening, Thursday 19-OCT-2006. Please RSVP so we can jud