Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Elvey
On Mar 27, 2:46 am, Ciaran O'Riordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Elvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > E.g. Assume a user receives a binary-only copy of the firmware bundled > > with a hardware device based on a GPL'd OS (no source or offer of > > source is provided). > > This is a copyright vio

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 13:56 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: > Richard Tobin wrote: > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > > >speak) were nonexistent not only in the G

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 14:30 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: > Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: > > > > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > > > speak) were nonexistent > > > > Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to ch

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 12:20 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: > "Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: > > [snip bullshit] > > Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. Only if you distribute, or convey, or whatev

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] > Note that only copyright owners have standing to sue. Sonny, uncle Hasler has spoken! True, since the Free Software Foundation (license drafter) persistently claims for decades to the entire world that the GPL is a license and not a contract, then it is really hard t

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread John Hasler
Ciarán O'Riordan writes: > If a binary is available but no source, then that is a problem and the > solution is to tell the distributor of the binary that they have to > either cease distribution (and maybe pay damages) or start providing > source code (and maybe also pay damages, or at least legal

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: > >> As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU >> speak) were nonexistent > >Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check >with a lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the >GPL, wouldn't someone have exploi

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: > > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > > speak) were nonexistent > > Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a > lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the GPL

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Richard Tobin wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > >speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. > > That would only allow you to transfer you

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Richard Tobin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU >speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. That would only allow you to transfer your copy, not make more copies. -- Rich

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > speak) were nonexistent Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the GPL, wouldn't someone have exploited it by now? Fire sale doesn't come in

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU > speak) were nonexistent Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a lawyer right now, but if there was such a loophole in the GPL, wouldn't someone have exploited it b

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: [snip bullshit] Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@g

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: [snip bullshit] Yada, yada, yada. As if "first sale" ("copyright exhaustion" in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users? E.g. Assume a user receives a binary-only copy of the firmware bundled with a hardware device based on a GPL'd OS (no source or offer of source is provided). A copyriight violation, see Section 3 of the GNU GPL. Does th

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Ciaran O'Riordan
"Elvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > E.g. Assume a user receives a binary-only copy of the firmware bundled > with a hardware device based on a GPL'd OS (no source or offer of > source is provided). This is a copyright violation. > Does the GPL give the user the right [...] to provide or obtain

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- "LWN: A new GPLv3 timetable"

2007-03-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
http://lwn.net/Articles/227857/ A new GPLv3 timetable [Posted March 26, 2007 by corbet] From:Brett Smith To: corbet-AT-lwn.net Subject: GPLv3 timetable update Date:Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:40:33 -0400 FYI: the information below is being sent to our info-gplv3 mailing lis