gpl question

2007-08-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Under the GPL am i allowed to modify an existing program that someone else made (the program is under the GPL) and sell that version? Also, how do i install ant on windows? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: gpl question

2007-08-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Aug 27, 8:46 pm, Barry Margolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the GPL am i allowed to modify an existing program that someone else made (the program is under the GPL) and sell that version? Yes, as long as you

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Tim Tyler wrote: [...] You have no right to redistribute the software - with or without the source code - under copyright law, unless such freedom is granted by a license. Stop being such an idiot, Tyler. From Understanding Open Source and Free Software Licensing:

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Tim Tyler wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: [...] You have no right to redistribute the software - with or without the source code - under copyright law, unless such freedom is granted by a license. Stop being such an idiot, Tyler. From Understanding Open Source

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: [...] You have no right to redistribute the software - with or without the source code - under copyright law, unless such freedom is granted by a license. Stop being such an idiot, Tyler. From Understanding Open Source and Free Software Licensing:

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Re: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/24/open_source_railroad/ These guys have stripped out the header notices - can't they get them under the DMCA copyright law? ``Provision 4: Removing copyright management information -- The fourth

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: Microsoft cannot declare itself exempt from the requirements of GPLv3

2007-08-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ha ha. --- Microsoft cannot declare itself exempt from the requirements of GPLv3 Microsoft has engaged in anticompetitive conduct in the software industry for many years, and has sought to attack free software for almost as long, Free Software Foundation says BOSTON, Massachusetts,

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
The saga: http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/docket/ The ruling: http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/docket/158.pdf One bit not mentioned in the news stories: Although Defendants represent that they have voluntarily ceased all potentially infringing activities utilizing any of the disputed

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Tim Tyler wrote: [...] *If* the user agreed to a contract by simply copying, the world would be full of court cases where SlimeSoft had included in the small print of its license agreement: And by the act of copying this software, you hereby agree to sell all your worldly goods and

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: An intellectual property license is a contract. In re: Aimster Copyright Litigation, 334 F.3d 643, 644 (7th Cir. 2003) (If a breach of contract (and a copyright license is just a type of contract) . . . ); see also McCoy v. Mitsuboshi Cutlery, Inc., 67 F.3d 917,

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
On 2007-08-28, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users do not agree to *anything* by the act of copying something. The worst that can happen is that they can subsequently be sued for copyright violation - since the user can simply claim that they never bothered to read the license. I

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread John Hasler
Arnoud writes: I agree with the principle, but the catch is that by using software without agreeing to the license, you're probably willfully infringing the copyright. In the US _using_ software requires no license: just ownership of a copy. Some copyright owners may only sell you copies of

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: On 2007-08-28, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users do not agree to *anything* by the act of copying something. The worst that can happen is that they can subsequently be sued for copyright violation - since the user can simply claim that they never bothered to

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: *If* the user agreed to a contract by simply copying, the world would be full of court cases where SlimeSoft had included in the small print of its license agreement: And by the act of copying this software, you hereby agree to sell all your

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread John Hasler
Tim Tyler writes: What proportion of OSS developers register their work with the United States Copyright Office, I wonder. If the infringement is ongoing you just have to register before filing suit. Also, how often does $150,000 actually get awarded in free software cases? It doesn't