Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-03-06, Rjack wrote: > Hadron wrote: >> Tim Smith writes: >> >>> In article <1nr90uip7frcg$.10o3bb8tjpbjo@40tude.net>, >>> Doctor Smith wrote: >>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I >>> find this su

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Ben Pfaff
Tim Smith writes: > A lawsuit is very disruptive for both parties. Pretty much anyone, not > matter what side they are on, would rather have a suit that takes 2 > years in a far away district like EDT than a suit that takes 4 years in > a nearby district. Why would I want a suit to be far aw

Re: Apache Foundation rejects GPL again

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
7 wrote: Rjack wrote: "The license under which JCK is currently available dictates that the OpenJDK, GPL-licensed Java Virtual Machines can use the JCK free of charge. Commercial developers however, still have to pay for the right to use the JCK license. The rub for Apache, however, is it does

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
Hadron wrote: Tim Smith writes: In article <1nr90uip7frcg$.10o3bb8tjpbjo@40tude.net>, Doctor Smith wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion curious. ... Also, what on earth is I ANAL ??? And why

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread AES
In article , Tim Smith wrote: > > Before EDT was the big patent case district, it was some district in the > vicinity of Virginia--I forget which one. That one became a big patent Known as the "Rocket Docket", if this is the district I've heard about. ___

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Peter Köhlmann
Hadron wrote: > Tim Smith writes: > >> In article <1nr90uip7frcg$.10o3bb8tjpbjo@40tude.net>, >> Doctor Smith wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: >>> >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this >>> >>> suggestion curious. >> >> ... >>> > Als

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hadron
Tim Smith writes: > In article <1nr90uip7frcg$.10o3bb8tjpbjo@40tude.net>, > Doctor Smith wrote: > >> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: >> >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion >> >>> curious. > > ... >> > Also, what on earth is I ANAL

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Tim Smith
In article <11452185.99fscqf...@schestowitz.com>, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > / Alan Mackenzie on Thursday 05 March 2009 16:35 : \ > > > In gnu.misc.discuss Doug Mentohl wrote: > >> 'Software Tree LLC claims that JBoss infringes on its

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Tim Smith
In article <1nr90uip7frcg$.10o3bb8tjpbjo@40tude.net>, Doctor Smith wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: > >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion > >>> curious. ... > > Also, what on earth is I ANAL ??? And why is Roy discussing it

Re: Apache Foundation rejects GPL again

2009-03-05 Thread 7
Rjack wrote: > "The license under which JCK is currently available dictates that > the OpenJDK, GPL-licensed Java Virtual Machines can use the JCK free > of charge. Commercial developers however, still have to pay for the > right to use the JCK license. > > The rub for Apache, however, is it does

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:14:41 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote: > In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron wrote: >> Doctor Smith writes: > >>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > > Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion curious. > >> Als

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron wrote: > Doctor Smith writes: >> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote: >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion >>> curious. > Also, what on earth is I ANAL ??? IANAL is a standard Usenet abbreviation for "I

Apache Foundation rejects GPL again

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
"The license under which JCK is currently available dictates that the OpenJDK, GPL-licensed Java Virtual Machines can use the JCK free of charge. Commercial developers however, still have to pay for the right to use the JCK license. The rub for Apache, however, is it doesn't use the GPL for Apach

Re: MS hidden agenda - become a gurl called Sue

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:55:58 GMT, 7 wrote: Boy becomes girl? Roy Schestowitz has already done that. Oh, sorry that was Racine. Oh well, it's only one letter off http://www.archivum.info/comp.os.linux.advocacy/2007-12/msg00354.html ___ gnu-misc-di

Re: MS hidden agenda -- not

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:30:49 -0500, Rjack wrote: > The GNU community is fuming about Microsoft's hidden agenda: > > "Microsoft's secret plan behind the TomTom suit? > . . . > "Tom Tom are the first company to publicly refuse to engage in this > ugly little protection racket, and so they got sued.

MS hidden agenda - become a gurl called Sue

2009-03-05 Thread 7
Rjack wrote: > > The GNU community is fuming about Microsoft's hidden agenda: > > "Microsoft's secret plan behind the TomTom suit? > . . . > "Tom Tom are the first company to publicly refuse to engage in this > ugly little protection racket, and so they got sued. Had Tom Tom > silently agreed to

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:04:50 +0100, Hadron wrote: > Doctor Smith writes: > >> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote: >> >> >>> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion >>> curious. >> >> The simple things seem to baffle you Roy Schestowitz. >>

MS hidden agenda -- not

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
The GNU community is fuming about Microsoft's hidden agenda: "Microsoft's secret plan behind the TomTom suit? . . . "Tom Tom are the first company to publicly refuse to engage in this ugly little protection racket, and so they got sued. Had Tom Tom silently agreed to violate the GPL, as so many

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Roy! In gnu.misc.discuss Roy Schestowitz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > / Alan Mackenzie on Thursday 05 March 2009 16:35 : \ >> Just as an aside, wouldn't it be a smart move for high tech companies to >> avoid doing business in Eastern Texas, so that they

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hadron
Doctor Smith writes: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > > >> Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion >> curious. > > The simple things seem to baffle you Roy Schestowitz. > > > > >> - -- >> ~~ Best of wishes >> >> Ro

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:40:58 +, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > Would that exempt them from litigation? IANAL, so I find this suggestion > curious. The simple things seem to baffle you Roy Schestowitz. > - -- > ~~ Best of wishes > > Roy S. Schestowitz | Get the most out

Re: consider the facts of the Stac case..

2009-03-05 Thread Doctor Smith
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:30:39 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:53:21 + (UTC), Vincent Fritters wrote: > >> On 2009-03-02, Doug Mentohl wrote: >> >>> They were a company involved in data compression, before they got fucked >>> over by MS .. >> >> And they are not the on

Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Roy Schestowitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 / Alan Mackenzie on Thursday 05 March 2009 16:35 : \ > In gnu.misc.discuss Doug Mentohl wrote: >> 'Software Tree LLC claims that JBoss infringes on its database patent >> for "exchanging data and commands between an object oriented system and

Re: consider the facts of the Stac case..

2009-03-05 Thread Erik Funkenbusch
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:43:09 + (UTC), Vincent Fritters wrote: > On 2009-03-03, Hadron wrote: >> Vincent Fritters writes: > >> >> Wrong. Presentation manager was indeed in OS/2 2.x And Warp. >> >> http://www.firstandsecond.com/store/books/info/bookinfo.asp?txtSearch=237799 >> >>> >>> 2.x had

Re: consider the facts of the Stac case..

2009-03-05 Thread Erik Funkenbusch
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:53:21 + (UTC), Vincent Fritters wrote: > On 2009-03-02, Doug Mentohl wrote: > >> They were a company involved in data compression, before they got fucked >> over by MS .. > > And they are not the only ones. > Even IBM got burned while playing nice with Microsoft. > Wh

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. It is only the desperate arguments of the GPL skeptics that flit about in search of vindication that never comes. The SFLC pursues its enforcements steadfastly, each and every time resulting in the GPLed sources being

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. It is only the desperate arguments of the GPL skeptics that flit about in search of vindication that never comes. The SFLC pursues its enforcements steadfastly, each and every time resulting in the GPLed sources being

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. It is only the desperate arguments of the GPL skeptics that flit about in search of vindication that never comes. The SFLC pursues its enforcements steadfastly, each and every time resulting in the GPLed sources being

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. It is only the desperate arguments of the GPL skeptics that flit about in search of vindication that never comes. The SFLC pursues its enforcements steadfastly, each and every time resulting in the

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: It up to the courts to rule on these matters. Only if the parties fail to reach agreement among themselves. That hasn't happened yet. GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. ___ gnu-misc-discu

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: A GPL suit comes with an automatic voluntary dismissal Followed, in every case, by compliance with the GPL. GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-d

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2009-03-05 Thread secretary
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Re: MS partner sues Red Hat for patent violation ..

2009-03-05 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Doug Mentohl wrote: > 'Software Tree LLC claims that JBoss infringes on its database patent > for "exchanging data and commands between an object oriented system and > a relational system." Software Tree's partners include Microsoft, and > that the suit was filed in Eastern

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: GNUtians never lose -- they just move the goalposts. It is only the desperate arguments of the GPL skeptics that flit about in search of vindication that never comes. The SFLC pursues its enforcements steadfastly, each and every time resulting in the GPLed sources being

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: A GPL suit comes with an automatic voluntary dismissal Followed, in every case, by compliance with the GPL. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Zonker on Open Source licenses ..

2009-03-05 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: It up to the courts to rule on these matters. Only if the parties fail to reach agreement among themselves. That hasn't happened yet. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-mis