Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-10 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: For the past seventy years no federal court has ever ruled a copyright license to be anything other than a contract. And we see from this case that even when there in

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-10 Thread Rjack
Doug Mentohl wrote: Rjack wrote: The great debate on the software blogs about TomTom violating the GPL is sheer nonsense of the same caliber as Eben Moglen's nonsense about a copyright license not being a contract. 'The GPL only obliges you if you distribute software made from GPL'd code, a

Re: TomTom, the GPL and patents

2009-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen writes: > Rjack wrote: >> Never in his wildest dreams will a GPL licensor control software >> patents he *doesn't* own with a copyright grant that he does own > > Of course not. A GPL licensor only controls software patents that > he *does* own. He grants free use of those patents req

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-10 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: he also freely admits "I'm the only lawyer on earth who can > say this, I suppose..." which makes him a very small part of > all the lawyers and judges who might have their own say. You are not very good at understanding context, I suppose, or else you're deliberately tryi

Re: the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-10 Thread amicus_curious
"Doug Mentohl" wrote in message news:gp60h2$is...@news.datemas.de... Rjack wrote: The great debate on the software blogs about TomTom violating the GPL is sheer nonsense of the same caliber as Eben Moglen's nonsense about a copyright license not being a contract. 'The GPL only obliges you

the GPL is a license not a contract ..

2009-03-10 Thread Doug Mentohl
Rjack wrote: The great debate on the software blogs about TomTom violating the GPL is sheer nonsense of the same caliber as Eben Moglen's nonsense about a copyright license not being a contract. 'The GPL only obliges you if you distribute software made from GPL'd code, and only needs to be

Re: TomTom, the GPL and patents

2009-03-10 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Never in his wildest dreams will a GPL licensor control software patents he *doesn't* own with a copyright grant that he does own Of course not. A GPL licensor only controls software patents that he *does* own. He grants free use of those patents required for the software that he d

TomTom, the GPL and patents

2009-03-10 Thread Rjack
Why not be realistic? You can't extended your copyrights to control intellectual property outside of your copyright grant. There is *no* question that a patent is outside the ownership grant of a copyright: ** 17 USC 102. Subject mat

Re: NYSD.USCOURTS.GOV ready to call SFLC's bluff

2009-03-10 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: > > See also > > http://www.terekhov.de/GPLvCisco/6.pdf > > Alexander Terekhov wrote: > > > > "No further extensions will be granted." > > > > http://www.terekhov.de/GPLvCisco/8.pdf > > (Below are the docket entries from PACER.) > > > > > - > > 03/06/2009 8 ENDO