On 2019-11-07 22:58, Jean Louis wrote:
Dear Nala,
Greetings to China. I am eating here with chopsticks...
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-07 15:03]:
Hi Jean!
Yes, I totally agreed. And I actually meant RMS's health status,
personally I don't think the fame was hurt by the recent comments
misinterpre
Dear Nala,
Greetings to China. I am eating here with chopsticks...
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-07 15:03]:
>
> Hi Jean!
>
> Yes, I totally agreed. And I actually meant RMS's health status,
> personally I don't think the fame was hurt by the recent comments
> misinterpretation or even the previous pe
Hi Akira,
On 11/8/19 5:36 AM, Akira Urushibata wrote:
> Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice
> is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society,
> especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists
> we are forced to drop t
Hello, everyone:
Attacks against individuals will now be considered off-topic for this
list. Defenses of attacks against individuals are also
off-topic. Let's keep discussion oriented toward the GNU Project and
free software. If you have a disagreement with an individual in matters
that do pert
Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice
is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society,
especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists
we are forced to drop the assumption that people are thinking and
acting rationally.
> From what I understand, you are opposed to [..]
> instead prefer an organisation where Richard Stallman takes all
decisions at
> his own discretion, without being accountable to anybody,
> contributors to the
> project and users alike.
This is why I suggested figuring out a charter of the curr
On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 02:58:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>It is
>not something you can give to people and tell them "look, this is
>our project, and these are the points you are expected to heed when
>you join us".
> That is what we did when the the project was started, tha
Hi all,
Thanks, Andreas, for this new version! Some comments below.
a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) skribis:
> What is the exact _goal_ of this text?
We discussed it several times before, notably in these messages:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-10/msg00011.html
Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>> What is the exact _goal_ of this text?
>
> I think it should be a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for
> stakeholders in the GNU project to take part in its governance.
As it seems, that youʼve cha
"Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> wrote:
> By the way, "contract" seems like a misnomer
> A statement of promises to behave in some ways toward some group (such as a
> "community"), who makes no reciprocal promises and isn't a party to the
> document is rather a "pledge"
I thought I had answered this question in the other thread on
Enlightenment, but you disagree, so I will give a few more
explanations on my point of view here. For me, the GNU Social
Contract is a first step towards defining a governance model for
the GNU Project.
That governance mo
By the way, "contract" seems like a misnomer, because a contract is
a signed-off agreement between two parties (or more) in which they
exchange something of value; the contract requires a contribution
from at least two parties.
A statement of promises to behave in some ways toward some
group (suc
Hello,
On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> Is it meant as a short summary of what the GNU project does? I could
> see how it would serve such purpose, but then it isn't a contract. If
> it is a contract, who is agreeing to it? The GNU project? In that
> case, tho
Andreas Enge wrote:
> Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>> Andreas Enge wrote:
>>> Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of
formalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by
inventing ideology-driven ‘contracts’
>>
indeed, this is the implied idea behind "collectively decide about the
organization of the project". The "social contract" is a first step in that
direction, to establish accountability towards a common goal that is clearly
formulated and communicated to the public. I think this also an
Le jeudi 7 novembre 2019, 12:13:47 CET Andreas a écrit :
> "We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide
> about the organization of the project *[because]* the GNU Project we
> want to build is one that everyone can trust to defend their freedom."
>
> This implies the curren
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 12:13:47PM +0100, Andreas wrote:
> This maintainers' lack of accountability
> (...)
> To truly implement such fundamental changes, it would perhaps be better
> to start drafting a solid charter
indeed, this is the implied idea behind "collectively decide about the
o
On Thu, 2019-11-07 at 11:12 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
>
> In that sense, I understand the last paragraph of our open letter as
> an
> invitation to put enlightenment into practice:
> "We think it is now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide
> about the organization of the project." Over
Hello Andreas,
* Andreas Enge [2019-11-07 11:12]:
>
> In that sense, I understand the last paragraph of our open letter as
> an invitation to put enlightenment into practice: "We think it is
> now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the
> organization of the project." Overcome
Hello Jean Louis,
On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 05:12:38AM +0530, Jean Louis wrote:
> "Social contract" has etymology coming from France,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract, "In moral and political
> philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated
> during the Age of En
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 12:36:52AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> > I do not see how the aim of creating a harassment-free environment could be
> > construed as making GNU a less welcoming place...
> In other words, the only real aim of your ‘social contract’ is to impose that
> last p
Jean Louis writes:
> "Social contract" has etymology coming from France,
Given that language evolves and contemporary connotation can differ
significantly from the original meaning, no argument can be won through
weaponized etymology. It's more important to understand the intent of
the speaker
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