Re: Web versions

On 3/15/21 9:02 PM, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote: > that is not currently technically feasible because WebAssembly does > not offer the APIs that most GNU packages use Of course not, and it doesn't matter; it wouldn't make sense to expect it to use those APIs even if they were available.  That would

Re: Web versions

On 3/15/21 6:26 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > That is one good example. You can edit notes and save it, all locally, > it works offline. And why is that good?  Are you lacking a shell?

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On 3/15/21 7:27 PM, Colby Russell wrote: > that do not conform to their preferred > canard. A canard is a duck and you are a quack.  Experience counts and you have none.  That is also true about logic

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On 3/15/21 5:26 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > I said, there are now applications (at least I know about them now), > that run quite everything on your computer, through browser. So there > is no server dependency. Please, Jean Louis, heed Alfred's earlier request to focus your comments only on those

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* Alfred M. Szmidt [2021-03-16 00:14]: > Lets try to stick to one topic, and not fan out so much? That is, > running software in a web browser that you download from someone elses > server. I have downloaded so much software in last 24 hours as I was installing new OS (Parabola), so I have

Re: Web versions

On 3/15/21 4:06 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > this remains forever on the mailing list [...] you are not anonymous Right. > In Texas [...] events like that could be like US $500 each Wrong. > We are friends here. Wrong. -- Colby Russell

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Large number of people spawn VPS-es today, they have no idea if it is "free" software and even so, if they hear free they may not know what it means. All they want is to run their Wordpress or other instances. Wordpress would be running on their computer (even if they are borrowing

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* Colby Russell [2021-03-15 23:53]: > On 3/15/21 3:26 PM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote > > Nobody claimed anything like that, so why make the absurd claim? > > Go yourself. Colby you are losing temper, and this remains forever on the mailing list. In some countries this type of communication is

Re: Web versions

* Alfred M. Szmidt [2021-03-15 22:43]: >I just cannot see clearly how is Javascript trap relevant to >WebAssembly as the Javascript trap is about proprietary software. > > You could replace Javascript with Webassembly and the Javsscript trap > would make an equal important point. The

Re: Web versions

On 3/15/21 3:26 PM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote Nobody claimed anything like that, so why make the absurd claim? Go fuck yourself. -- Colby Russell

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Asking someone to "knock it off" isn't very kind. So a small reminder that this list applies GNU Kind Communications Guidelines (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html).

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Furthermore, how are we supposed to square Richard's call to action to replace non-free JS with free JS, if JS is to be understood to be inherently bad (as in the picture painted in this discussion)? Nobody claimed anything like that, so why make the absurd claim? Javascript isn't bad,

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Furthermore, how are we supposed to square Richard's call to action to replace non-free JS with free JS, if JS is to be understood to be inherently bad (as in the picture painted in this discussion)? In fact, The JavaScript

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I just cannot see clearly how is Javascript trap relevant to WebAssembly as the Javascript trap is about proprietary software. You could replace Javascript with Webassembly and the Javsscript trap would make an equal important point. The reason why the title mentions a trap is that they

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... The JavaScript Trap is a (reasonable) argument against trends of modern web apps, i.e., a software architecture relying on code-on-demand that lies under someone else's control, esp. when that software is not freely licensed.  Which is exactly the same argument that can be made

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On 3/15/21 9:47 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Again, the Javascript trap is a good place to start ... No, it isn't.  The JavaScript Trap is a (reasonable) argument against trends of modern web apps, i.e., a software architecture relying on code-on-demand that lies under someone else's control,

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* Alfred M. Szmidt [2021-03-15 17:48]: >> Or maybe they will, but that doesn't mean it is something the GNU >> project should promote. > >The GNU project should promote Free Software in all the ways that the >user can benefit from those freedoms, regardless of what technology >

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* aviva [2021-03-15 17:02]: > On 3/15/21 6:15 AM, Jean Louis wrote: > > Is there a person that was hurt? > > When software is hijacked, people get hurt.  google it yourself. As side notes, I do understand your intentions and from that viewpoint we are on the same side. We all support GNU and

Re: Web versions

On 3/15/21 9:47 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > If you are shipping an operating system, like GNU, you don't need to > run it in a web browser.  That is a good thing. If you are going to represent your comment as a response to something I've written, then please actually respond to it.  Otherwise,

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If you are shipping an operating system, like GNU, you don't need to run it in a web browser. That is a good thing.

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> Or maybe they will, but that doesn't mean it is something the GNU > project should promote. The GNU project should promote Free Software in all the ways that the user can benefit from those freedoms, regardless of what technology underlies those freedoms. If WebAssembly or

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You are arguing that we should take away a technology from the user, The GNU project has often made decisions on not using a specific technology, or trying to get around the problem in ways to promote user freedom. because some people use that technology in ways you disagree with.

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On 3/15/21 6:15 AM, Jean Louis wrote: > Is there a person that was hurt? When software is hijacked, people get hurt.  google it yourself.

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* aviva [2021-03-15 05:52]: > On 3/14/21 6:18 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > If WebAssembly or Javascript can be used in a > > way that honors the four freedoms, > > But it can't...period.  And in the real world , it doesn't.  We don't > promote software that hurts peopleperiod. We shall also

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* aviva [2021-03-15 05:51]: > On 3/14/21 6:18 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Thus, in a way you are arguing AGAINST the > > user's freedom. > > No - I am arguing against creating a system where you lose control of > your computer and it is over run by hackers because of poor deisgn.  > NOTHING can