GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread avesty
I have a question on two GPL areas, mere aggregation and packaging some GPL software in an installer. Both are FAQ's listed here: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLCompatInstaller I have a commercial applicat

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread John Hasler
Ad. writes: > I have a commercial application that is distributed packaged in an > installer that you can download. When a user installs the application I > wanted to install some GPL software at the same time. Reading the above > FAQ's it would seem to me that I can package the GPL software in the

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread rjack
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a commercial application that is distributed packaged in an installer that you can download. When a user installs the application I wanted to install some GPL software at the same time. There was once a company called SCO that decided to to mix the GPL license

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread avesty
On Dec 27, 1:14 pm, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ad. writes: > > it would seem to me that I can package the GPL software in the > > installer along with the commercial software. > > Correct. You will, of course, have to either provide the source on the CD > or a written offer as speci

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread David Kastrup
rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you violate a socialist belief of a GPL author you're going to end > up in Federal Court because you used their license. Do you really want > to trust your commercial business to license interpretations written > by Marxist crackpots? Uh, the ones delivering

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread avesty
On Dec 27, 4:28 pm, rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have a commercial application that is distributed packaged in an > > installer that you can download. When a user installs the application > > I wanted to install some GPL software at the same time. > > Do you rea

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread John Hasler
avesty writes: > I like the idea of the GPL and what it stands for, just not this apparent > openness to 'interpretation'. Then you won't like any legal document of any kind. > It seems there should be definitive defendable answers to questions like > the ones I have... > ... > That's the other r

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread Barry Margolin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > avesty writes: > > I like the idea of the GPL and what it stands for, just not this apparent > > openness to 'interpretation'. > > Then you won't like any legal document of any kind. > > > It seems there should be definiti

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-27 Thread rjack
David Kastrup wrote: rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: If you violate a socialist belief of a GPL author you're going to end up in Federal Court because you used their license. Do you really want to trust your commercial business to license interpretations written by Marxist crackpots?

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Just after some straight answers... The company selling a commercial license to the GPL software is obviously motivated to sell me one, as opposed to help clarify the GPL. What do you mean with a commercial license? The GPL is after all also a commercial license. Is this license incompat

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> I have a commercial application that is distributed packaged in > an installer that you can download. When a user installs the > application I wanted to install some GPL software at the same > time. There was once a company called SCO that decided to to mix the GPL license in w

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > That's the other reason I asked if there were lawyers that specialize > in this sort of thing... http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf regards, alexander. -- "Plaintiffs’ copyrights are unique and valuable property whose market value

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread rjack
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Just after some straight answers... The company selling a commercial license to the GPL software is obviously motivated to sell me one, as opposed to help clarify the GPL. What do you mean with a commercial license? The GPL is after all also a commercial license.

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread rjack
Barry Margolin wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: avesty writes: I like the idea of the GPL and what it stands for, just not this apparent openness to 'interpretation'. Then you won't like any legal document of any kind. It seems there should be d

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread avesty
On Dec 27, 7:06 pm, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > avesty writes: > > I like the idea of the GPL and what it stands for, just not this apparent > > openness to 'interpretation'. > > Then you won't like any legal document of any kind. I didn't realize the goal of the GPL was for it to be

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread avesty
On Dec 27, 8:55 pm, Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > avesty writes: > > > It seems there should be definitive defendable answers to questions like > > > the ones I have... > > > ... > > > That's the other re

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread avesty
On Dec 28, 7:46 am, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [...] > > > That's the other reason I asked if there were lawyers that specialize > > in this sort of thing... > > http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softwarecombinations060403.pdf > > regards, > alexan

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread avesty
On Dec 28, 4:37 am, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Just after some straight answers... The company selling a >commercial license to the GPL software is obviously motivated to >sell me one, as opposed to help clarify the GPL. > > What do you mean with a commercial license

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Dec 28, 7:46 am, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > That's the other reason I asked if there were lawyers that specialize > > > in this sort of thing... > > > > http://www.usfca.edu/law/determann/softw

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Buying a $30k license isn't an option for me, so I'm attempting to explore what I can legally and safely do according to GPL. I'm always amazed that people will shell out lots of cash to get a license that prohibits them from doing things. The answers from the ghostscript company are

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
>Just after some straight answers... The company selling a >commercial license to the GPL software is obviously motivated >to sell me one, as opposed to help clarify the GPL. > > What do you mean with a commercial license? They have release the software under two lice

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
[...] could anyone recommend a lawyer that specializes in the GPL? You could contact the Software Freedom Law Center (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), I'm sure they can help you. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lis

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread rjack
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > [...] could anyone recommend a lawyer that specializes in the GPL? > > You could contact the Software Freedom Law Center > (http://www.softwarefreedom.org/), I'm sure they can help you. Solid and reliable advice --- go to the people who wrote the book. I could also reco

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Tim Smith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It seems quite difficult to get straight answers on what exactly >is/isn't ok with the GPL... > > Try reading the license, it is very clear even for non-lawyer people. Isn't it a bit early to be rehearsing for

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-29 Thread Richard Tobin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There was once a company called SCO [...] Remind me, who sued whom? This is reminiscent of David Irving, whose defenders talk about the "Deborah Lipstadt libel action" as if he were the victim of oppressive lawsuits, when in fact

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-29 Thread rjack
Richard Tobin wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There was once a company called SCO [...] Remind me, who sued whom? This is reminiscent of David Irving, whose defenders talk about the "Deborah Lipstadt libel action" as if he were the victim of oppressiv

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-29 Thread David Kastrup
rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard Tobin wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> rjack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> There was once a company called SCO [...] >> >> Remind me, who sued whom? > > SCO, was a really stupid company that initially released software > under the GPL. R

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-30 Thread avesty
On Dec 28, 3:07 pm, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe if you could explain what you wish to do, then one can give you > a better answer with references to the FAQ and other data. I thought I did that already :) I have a commercial, closed source software application. To instal

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-30 Thread John Hasler
avesty writes: > I didn't realize the goal of the GPL was for it to be interpreted and > implemented differently by each group that uses it... That seems to work > entirely against the goal of its widespread adoption. The GPL is a model license, not a law. How do you expect its authors to prevent

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-30 Thread John Hasler
Ad writes: > I disagree. There are plenty of spots in the GPL that way too open to > interpration, which seems to be exactly the problem here. No. The problem is that they are trying to bluff you. > I and the FAQ interpret it one way, the company interprets it another. I can "interpret" black a

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-30 Thread rjack
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 28, 3:07 pm, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe if you could explain what you wish to do, then one can give you a better answer with references to the FAQ and other data. I thought I did that already :) I have a commercial, closed source softwa

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-31 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I am attempting to clarify whether I can include ghostscript (and its source) in the installer with the commercial software. Ghostcript Please don't use `commercial software' as a synonm for non-free software, the two have very different meanings. Commercial software is just software bei