Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Akira Urushibata [2019-11-12 15:09]: > On Saturday I attended an open source event in Fukuoka, western > Japan. I visited the booth of an organization named LinuC which > conducts exams and issues certificates to those who pass. > > I had glanced through at one of the textbooks they recommend.

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-12 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2019-11-11 13:48, Akira Urushibata wrote: One who adheres to the "It all started with one email in 1991" story lacks a firm grasp of the operating system. He who adheres to this story lacks basic facts that are summarized in the English-language Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-12 Thread Akira Urushibata
On Saturday I attended an "open source" event in Fukuoka, western Japan. I visited the booth of an organization named LinuC which conducts exams and issues certificates to those who pass. I had glanced through at one of the textbooks they recommend. It said that Linux started in 1991. It did no

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Marcel
> There is certain trade between good and bad, little bad for more good > is always a good trade. If by "a little bad" you mean diluting the Free Software philosophy and by "more good" you mean more people using it, I totally disagree. Following that logic, it seems to me GNU would quickly become

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Indeed, yet I heard Gnome want since quite some time now distance itself from GNU, as an independent, not GNU-related project. Furthermore, the (not always implementd) will to go toward a “cloud” (SaaSS) approach, recalling me the dark times of the French Minitel, scared me and hinted me that u

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-11 04:35]: > I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as > official graphical interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not > managed by GNU ^^ They’re not GNU packages. > > The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as individua

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as official graphical interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not managed by GNU ^^ They’re not GNU packages. The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as individual and per their opinions and thoughts. Yet, there is a

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 23:33]: > Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit : > > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > > > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > > > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and does

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated > > to) GNU. > > At least Wikip

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]: > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now > even > more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated > to) GNU. At least Wikipedia says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME "GNOME is part of the

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-09 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2019-11-09 11:10, Alexandre François Garreau wrote: Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU. An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured server. The

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-09 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated to) GNU. An unfortunate thing is that GNU project lacks indeed any full-featured server. There are some minimal servers in inetutils and mailutils, t

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2019-11-08 00:29, Marcel wrote: On 11/8/19 3:01 PM, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) wrote: A typical GNU/Linux distribution include more than just GNU userland on top of Linux. It can be argued that the name GNU/Linux is incomplete and excludes contributions from other sources, the same way

Re: What is ‘OS’? (was: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation)

2019-11-08 Thread Dmitry Alexandrov
Akira Urushibata wrote: > Subscribers of this mailing list know what an operating system is. Yes, they for sure know. But I would not sure, that they _agree_ on what ‘OS’ is. If we exclude marginal ones (like OS == kernel), I am aware of two consistent definitions of ‘operating system’: 1. O

Re: Why GNU/Linux is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Jean Louis
Dear Akira, あなたのメッセージは大歓迎です. Welcome. * Akira Urushibata [2019-11-08 05:27]: > Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice > is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society, > especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le vendredi 8 novembre 2019, 09:01:14 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > A typical GNU/Linux distribution include more than just GNU userland > on top of Linux. It can be argued that the name GNU/Linux is incomplete > and excludes contributions from other sources, the same way that > L

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Marcel
On 11/8/19 3:01 PM, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) wrote: > A typical GNU/Linux distribution include more than just GNU userland > on top of Linux. It can be argued that the name GNU/Linux is incomplete > and excludes contributions from other sources, the same way that > Linux alone excludes GNU

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Jean Louis
* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2019-11-08 09:02]: > Of course even just a mildly sophisticated computer user knows that > a web browser or text editor isn't part of a single monolithic system > program, even if the pieces are all from Microsoft; users know that > there

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-08 Thread Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
On 2019-11-07 14:36, Akira Urushibata wrote: The ordinary computer user who has been educated through Microsoft's marketing propaganda is likely to see the operating system as one entity. Note that the ordinary computer user of some BSD Unix variant also been thus "indoctrinated". The user spac

Re: Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-07 Thread Marcel
Hi Akira, On 11/8/19 5:36 AM, Akira Urushibata wrote: > Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice > is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society, > especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists > we are forced to drop t

Why "GNU/Linux" is not accepted: an observation

2019-11-07 Thread Akira Urushibata
Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society, especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists we are forced to drop the assumption that people are thinking and acting rationally.