Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-18 Thread flywire
Why doesn't updating report periods update dates? Displaying conflicting values is just wrong. ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-18 Thread flywire
> Scheme isn't a very good language for serious programming. A rewrite is probably reasonable. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports#Designing_new_Reports demonstrates the code can be clear. The lack of responses to the report queries probably more due to: * unintelligible legacy code * ab

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Liz
On Wed, 8 Sep 2021 06:31:02 +1000 David H wrote: > This is getting ridiculous, can we stop the personal attacks now > please. I do not permit personal attacks on these English language Gnucash lists which I moderate. I privately email offenders to keep all of this off-list. Liz Moderator

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Borden via gnucash-devel
> 1: > after some cooling down of this discussion, you should create a pull > request against > https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/po/glossary/gnc-glossary.txt > I don't know what everybody's hysterical about, myself. I think using proper accounting terminology is useful, so I'm hap

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Arman Schwarz
This seems like a lot of work. Kudos to anyone who wants to put in the time, but I think the cost of maintaining a separate glossary exceeds the benefit. To be clear, by "cost" I don't just mean the effort of creating it, but also the risk that the newstarter community will be left to wade through

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread davidcousens49
Possibly needs crossreferences in the glossary. Accounting period is really a general term which can be any of weekly, monthly, quarterly, semi annual, annual, financial year, fiscal year as required by external and internal reporting requirements for an entity (person, business, company etc). The

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Hi, There are at least 2 steps: 1. define the terminology as glossary 2. apply it to the messages of the program. 1: after some cooling down of this discussion, you should create a pull request against https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/po/glossary/gnc-glossary.txt If someone from th

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Borden via gnucash-devel
> This is getting ridiculous, can we stop the personal attacks now please.  > Let's just accept that different countries call it Fiscal Year and others > call it Financial Year - my own accountant here in Oz calls it Financial Year > and that is also what we called it in NZ when I lived ther

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread David H
This is getting ridiculous, can we stop the personal attacks now please. Let's just accept that different countries call it Fiscal Year and others call it Financial Year - my own accountant here in Oz calls it Financial Year and that is also what we called it in NZ when I lived there. I guess we'r

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Borden via gnucash-devel
> > I wouldn't after 4 years of animal science (humans plus) plus a lot of home > butchery. Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect, two blokes got a nobel prize > for saying you're full of shit. Your GP knows bugger all about lymph nodes > anyway. > 1) In what year did David Dunning and/or Justin Kru

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread flywire
> ...if I'm going to talk to a doctor (especially over the phone these days), > I'll take 10 minutes on the Internet so I can say that the pain is "along my > lymph nodes on the right side of my neck" than "the bumps next to my throat." I wouldn't after 4 years of animal science (humans plus) pl

[GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-07 Thread Borden via gnucash-devel
> > Formal vs. layman terminology--or behavior for that matter--is a constant > tension in GnuCash. AFAIK none of the developers has formal accounting > training past one or two college courses; most rather less. Even fewer of the > user base have any formal accounting training at all and so we

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-06 Thread Christian Stimming
Am 6. September 2021 16:46:25 MESZ schrieb john : >https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Roadmap#Reports > Christian Stimming wrote the >last paragraph about replacing Scheme in 2011. > Oh, did I? The Internet never forgets... Anyone, feel free to edit

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-06 Thread john
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Roadmap#Reports Christian Stimming wrote the last paragraph about replacing Scheme in 2011. Regards, John Ralls > On Sep 6, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Christopher Lam wrote: > > Where is it mentioned that reports are being c

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-06 Thread john
Re C++, you and your professor are at least 10 years out of date. Since the publication of the C++11 standard C++ has become easily the most modern and versatile language available with the possible exception of Rust. Unlike Rust it is an ISO standard language with one of the largest and most ac

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-06 Thread Christopher Lam
Where is it mentioned that reports are being converted to c++? There is currently a separation between libgnucash (eg the engine and backend database) and gnucash (eg the UI, reports, import/export). There is a drive to remove guile from libgnucash. This may allow libgnucash to be used in iOS for

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-06 Thread flywire
I recall recent discussion about separating the main app and reporting. App, database and reporting modules seem to offer a lot of scope for non-traditional integrations I've raised before. One of my repos uses ocr to load bank statements, and there's an ever-expanding range of smart analysis tools

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread john
OK. I know what the general definition of a fiscal year is. I used to be a US Navy supply officer and had to keep books "the Navy way" (as in "the right way, the wrong way, and the Navy way"). The US Government operates on a fiscal year running from 1 Oct to 30 Sept. (It used to be 1 July to 30

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread flywire
I see Chris has pushed a PR through which appears to provide this functionality. I'd like to work on other reports too and this was a learning exercise as much as anything. What it doesn't do is help me as a community member develop skills with reports so I can work on those parts of the software I

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread flywire
I use Fiscal Year (GnuCash term) ending 30 June reporting (ie 1 Jul 2020 - 30 Jun 2021 is 2021 year). Tax reports are prepared in the following Fiscal Year so I use reports on current and previous year, and two year's previous year for verification. Since tax reporting is on a Fiscal Year basis bus

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread David H
Christopher, Good to see you’re on to it :-) Thanks for all the work you’ve been putting in on the reports over the last few years as well. I see references/comments in the PR referring to “Fiscal” year. Just my view but “Fiscal” seems to be one of those terms that are rarely used by anyone exce

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread Christopher Lam
> How much time would it take to fix the code and not have to change the > dates annually? https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/459 > Can I save time and effort by changing the code? > Incidentally to the problem, how much will I learn for the future about > the code? > Lots! __

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread David H
Not as simple as just changing the code in date-utilities.scm tho is it ? Financial years vary all over the globe so if it's flywire's plan to hard code this in date-utilities.scm it will only work for Australia. You really need to add something in preferences so users can set the start and possibl

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread Liz Dodd
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 07:37:01 +1000 Arman Schwarz wrote: > When I want to generate charts for financial years I just set the > start/end dates to 1 July / 30 June. I haven't run into a situation > where Australian financial years have caused problems. > > Is there a specific chart or report you're

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread Arman Schwarz
When I want to generate charts for financial years I just set the start/end dates to 1 July / 30 June. I haven't run into a situation where Australian financial years have caused problems. Is there a specific chart or report you're trying to run that doesn't work in this way? Arman On Mon, 6 Sep

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread David H
Hi John, FYI Fiscal year - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Fiscal_year

Re: [GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread john
> On Sep 5, 2021, at 12:50 AM, flywire wrote: > > Any chance of a bit of a hand working through the add-option to get Fiscal > Year working in the code? I've tested everything else and it works. It'd be > a nice fix for Australians. > > gnc:make-date-option needs an optional parameter for yea

[GNC-dev] Report with Fiscal Year

2021-09-05 Thread flywire
Any chance of a bit of a hand working through the add-option to get Fiscal Year working in the code? I've tested everything else and it works. It'd be a nice fix for Australians. gnc:make-date-option needs an optional parameter for year-start-month - https://github.com/flywire/gnucash/blob/Fiscal-