Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-24 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
On 4/24/2019 2:15 AM, Justin Mathew via gnucash-user wrote: I certainly prefer the approach of declaring dividends as a contra acunt to Retained Earnings and/or debiting it directly to Retained Earnings but it will require closure of the books to provide retained earnings to handle it properly.

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-23 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
Hi David and Andrien, ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 19, 2019 5:05 PM, David Cousens wrote: > I certainly prefer the approach of declaring dividends as a contra acunt to > Retained Earnings and/or debiting it directly to Retained Earnings but it > will require closure of the

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-19 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I’d suspect, more likely than not, if I were running a business that needed such accounting, I too would close the books each year. It would be nice if GC handled Equity accounts without having to do so, but as-is, the software is certainly usable for a more formal business case. Regards, Adrie

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-19 Thread David Cousens
Hi Justin I certainly prefer the approach of declaring dividends as a contra acunt to Retained Earnings and/or debiting it directly to Retained Earnings but it will require closure of the books to provide retained earnings to handle it properly. That said there is nothing technically wrong in acc

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-17 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
David, Thanks for joining the conversation. > If you make the Dividends Declared account a child account of Retained > Earnings ,i.e a contra account in accounting terms, any dividend amounts > will be automatically deducted from Retained Earnings as suggested on the > following site. > https://w

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-17 Thread David Cousens
Justin, If you make the Dividends Declared account a child account of Retained Earnings ,i.e a contra account in accounting terms, any dividend amounts will be automatically deducted from Retained Earnings as suggested on the following site. https://www.accountingcoach.com/blog/recording-dividend-

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
Oh yes, it does! As mentioned in my other email to John Ralls, the reason I started this thread in the dev mailing list is to figure out a fix for the software, at least for the next release. And I am not sure how did this topic get divided into two threads. - Regards, Justin Mathew mjus...@p

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Certainly, But it serves as a temporary workaround till then. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Justin Mathew wrote: > >> I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being >> the actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The >>

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
> I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being the > actual account and the other being the calculated amount by GnuCash. The sum > of the two should be the true amount. This means you can’t submit the report > as-is, but you could certainly export to a spreadsheet f

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Adrien Monteleone
If you create an Equity:Retained Earnings account and debit it, while crediting Dividends Payable (the formal method) does this not show up on the Balance Sheet? I understand that you would have two ‘Retained Earnings’ lines, one being the actual account and the other being the calculated amoun

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
Christopher, > The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with > dividends. > > IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the > total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X. Don't get me wrong, the 'retained earnings' anywhere

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Christopher Lam
The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with dividends. IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X. If the books were 'closed' on date X, the income&expenses would be zeroed out

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
Maf, > you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the future > the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply All" > in your email client is a good way. Opps, I had read about it, but missed it in the heat of replying. Will keep that mind hencefo

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Maf. King
Hi Justin, you should keep replies on-list, others can contribute and maybe in the future the thread can save a question being asked in the first place "reply All" in your email client is a good way. I think it is a bit of a technical distinction, GAAP left over from the days of paper boo

Re: [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Maf. King
Hi Justin, while it is contrary to the advice given in the link you supplied, I've always recorded dividend payouts as an Expense - but it is one of a handful that are excluded from the corporation tax calc, as they are declared after tax / from profits. My accountant has never complained -

[GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Justin Mathew via gnucash-user
Hi, I am trying to record cash dividend payoffs in gnucash. As per accounting basics, the 'Retained Earnings' is the company's net profit (minus dividends as well). I also read this - https://www.double-entry-bookkeeping.com/capital/dividends/ which explained the same steps that I did. Or did