Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-13 Thread Christopher Lam
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, 7:42 am David Cousens, wrote: > > Do you know if GnuCash has a flag indicating whether the books have been > closed formally or is just the presence or absence of the closing > transactions used to detect this? > No such flags exist. Only the presence of Closing Transactions

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread David Cousens
Christopher, In another post on this thread in reply to Mike Novak's reply to an earlier post I outlined how Equity:Retained Earnings is generally used in accounting theory and the distinction between contributed capital and earned capital usually made in corporate accounting. The Retained Earnin

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread David Cousens
Brian,Michael I did misunderstand Brian's original question. My comment below is a general accounting perspective based on general accounting theory for corporations ( Financial Accounting Horngren etal 5 th edition, Accounting Theory Godfrey etal Wiley Australia (Accounting Theory Kahn Wiley U

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Brian via gnucash-user
Christopher, my error. If you re-read the original post the transaction was posted Assets:Cash and Equity:Shareholder Distribution. Liability was not in the equation. Basically, your comments confirm that the GNUCash automatic calculation is rudimentary and to get a true "retained earnings" that

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Just for the record, That should be a reduction of cash *and* a reduction of ’Shareholder distribution’, not an increase. You aren’t increasing your liability by paying it down. Dr. Liability:Shareholder Distribution Cr. Cash The liability is increased via a transaction with Retained Earnings.

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Christopher Lam
The right answer will be to submit the Transaction Report to the accountant, have him/her calculate the Retained Earnings and Shareholder Distribution for you, then you pay your shareholders via Assets:Bank/Cash -> Liability:Shareholder (and later Liability:Shareholder -> Expenses:Shareholder Divid

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Brian via gnucash-user
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 01:02, Brian via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > > > I'm wondering if GNUCash is actually calculating RETAINED EARNINGS > > properly. Because after issuing a distribution to shareholder the > > Retaining Earning calculation increased by Net Income but

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Michael or Penny Novack
This question MAY require delving into "accounting for corporations when using gnucash". It may be that for corporations, the usual process of not closing the books and having gnucash showing a VIRTUAL account "retained earnings" isn't going to work well for corporations << where dividends paid

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-10 Thread Christopher Lam
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 01:02, Brian via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > I'm wondering if GNUCash is actually calculating RETAINED EARNINGS > properly. Because after issuing a distribution to shareholder the > Retaining Earning calculation increased by Net Income but did not > de

Re: [GNC] GNC Equity and Retained Earnings not tracking together?

2020-03-09 Thread David Cousens
Brian, Brian the Retained Earnings is a component of the total Equity of the business that records what the operation of the business has contributed to the Equity. When a distribution is paid it is paid out of Equity and if it is debited to the Shareholder Distributions and credited to the Asset: