Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 24/10/11 19:25, Robert J. Hansen wrote: With respect to your question: what we offer is privacy, but most people do not understand privacy, do not care about privacy, and would not care about privacy even if they understood it. So if we can't motivate users by showing the bad stuff that can

Question regarding unknown certificates

2011-10-25 Thread Jerry
I have a group of certificates listed that I am unable to delete. I have tried using GPA and from the command line. Neither works. I did a screen capture of these keys. This is the URL: http://seibercom.net/logs/FP1.png These appear to be listed in the

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 10/25/11 5:26 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: So if we can't motivate users by showing the bad stuff that can happen if you have no privacy, then how to do it? I don't see any other way. Years ago W.D. Richter wrote a fictitious interview between the two fictitious characters Reno Nevada and

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Jean-David Beyer
d...@geer.org wrote: With respect to your question: what we offer is privacy, but most people do not understand privacy, do not care about privacy, and would not care about privacy even if they understood it. [snip] You got that right, Brother. To be more pointed, how many folks on this

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 25/10/11 14:54, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Every now and again I'll meet someone who's interested in learning about privacy and how to protect it. I do my best to help these people along. That's what I can do, that's what's within my power, that's the standard I judge myself by -- how well I

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 10/25/11 10:57 AM, Peter Lebbing wrote: The problem with the current proposal in that respect is that it requires co-operation of e-mail providers. I disagree. The problem with the current proposal is it offers email providers no payoff for their work. If it could credibly be said,

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:02:32 -0400 d...@geer.org articulated: To be more pointed, how many folks on this list carry a cell phone? I carry one virtually all the time. It is sort of in my job description. I have to be available 24/7. -- Jerry ✌ gnupg.u...@seibercom.net

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 25/10/11 17:09, Robert J. Hansen wrote: I disagree. The problem with the current proposal is it offers email providers no payoff for their work. If it could credibly be said, implement STEED and you'll get 25% less spam across your network, email providers would be lining up around the

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Mark H. Wood
So, to summarize what I think I've been hearing: the problem which remains to be solved (if it is a problem) is a nontechnical one, and no amount of technical wizardry will solve it. The most that can be done now is to be ready to help someone who fears for his privacy and asks, what can I do?

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 10/25/11 5:17 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [rest of message, which *lacked* a signature, elided] Wow, that's a wacky error. Time to file a bug report in Enigmail! ___ Gnupg-users mailing list

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread gnupg
On 25/10/11 21:11, Mark H. Wood wrote: So, to summarize what I think I've been hearing: the problem which remains to be solved (if it is a problem) is a nontechnical one, and no amount of technical wizardry will solve it. The most that can be done now is to be ready to help someone who fears

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Tuesday 25 October 2011 at 10:26:57 AM, in mid:4ea680e1.6070...@digitalbrains.com, Peter Lebbing wrote: On 24/10/11 19:25, Robert J. Hansen wrote: With respect to your question: what we offer is privacy, but most people do not

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/25/2011 15:46, MFPA wrote: An oft-used analogy when promoting encrypted communication is to compare it to sending a letter in an envelope rather than sending a postcard. If people don't care about privavy, why did envelopes rather than postcards develop as the default for sending

Re: STEED - Usable end-to-end encryption

2011-10-25 Thread Robert J. Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/25/11 6:46 PM, MFPA wrote: If people don't care about privavy, why did envelopes rather than postcards develop as the default for sending messages through the post? This one should be obvious: because a postcard doesn't allow you to write