Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-11 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2015-02-10 18:24:19 -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > It sounds to me like you're asking for the standard to separate out > "signature creation time" from "signature validity start time". > > This is an interesting proposal, and i can see why it would make sense > for this scenario. > > I

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2015-02-10 13:20:03 -0500, Hauke Laging wrote: >> your certifications (whether local or exportable) themselves have a >> timestamp in them. It would be silly to certify a key and its user ID >> after it was revoked by the owner; you'd be claiming "i believe that >> right now this is the cor

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Tuesday 10 February 2015 10:37:38 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > On 2015-02-10 13:30, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > On 02/10/2015 01:24 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > > > On 10/02/15 12:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > >> No, the signature is still valid: > > > Why? The key was revoked because

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 10.02.2015, 13:01:17 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: > > I can even sit down with the owner of > > the key and verify his ID and fingerprint and sign it, meaning > > "this key belongs to this person, but was superseeded a week ago". > > If actually influences the validity of anything he signed

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2015-02-10 08:37:38 -0500, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: > Also, I see no reason why I should not be able to assign a trust to a revoked > key - I might trust it even if the author revoked it as superseded: > > > $ gpg --edit 1BFBED44 > [... info on revoked key ...] > gpg> lsign > Key

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 2015-02-10 13:30, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 02/10/2015 01:24 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > > On 10/02/15 12:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > >> No, the signature is still valid: > >> > > > > > Why? The key was revoked because it was superseded or has been > > retired, not because it wa

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Peter Lebbing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/15 13:30, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > Unless you rely on a trusted third party to provide signature stamps, > signature dates can be forged. A key revocation should result in immediate > questioning of all aspects of the key, as it current

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/10/2015 01:24 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: > On 10/02/15 12:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >> No, the signature is still valid: >> > > Why? The key was revoked because it was superseded or has been > retired, not because it was stolen or com

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 10/02/15 13:24, Peter Lebbing wrote: > If you're convinced you're not mistaken, could you please take the time > to show me where this data signature from a revoked key is any different > than a signature from any random invalid key? Quick correction: If you're convinced you're not mistaken, c

Re: (bug?) Revoked keys and past signatures

2015-02-10 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 10/02/15 12:52, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > No, the signature is still valid: > >> $ gpg2 --verify test.gpg gpg: Signature made Tue 10 Feb 2015 >> 11:53:47 CET using RSA key ID > B2F1C0D8 >> gpg: Good signature from "Testkey 3" [unknown] > ^^ > In my opinion, the signat