Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-02-01 Thread Klaus Ethgen
Am Mo den 31. Jan 2022 um 22:39 schrieb jonkomer via Gnupg-users: > But the reason for my original post was not to find > better ways of communication mechanics while the > relationship exists, it was specific and quite narrow: > how can both sides do all they reasonably can in order > to avoid mak

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-02-01 Thread Johan Wevers via Gnupg-users
On 31-01-2022 18:11, Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users wrote: > This is incorrect. All three of the commonly-used HKP servers can remove > keys; this has been done for years to remove poison (i.e. oversized) > keys that cause DoS. However doing so comes with costs. Yes, that was the issue that I k

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-31 Thread jonkomer via Gnupg-users
This sounds like a perfect use case for WKD You are correct. But the reason for my original post was not to find better ways of communication mechanics while the relationship exists, it was specific and quite narrow: how can both sides do all they reasonably can in order to avoid making it p

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-31 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
> On 31 Jan 2022, at 21:39, jonkomer wrote: > > There is significant difference between a one-time > "third-party" correspondent misusing his knowledge of > the relationship after it has been dissolved, from > that same knowledge being published in perpetuity via > a simple, automated Internet

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-31 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 28/01/2022 20:02, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: >> A. G. via : >> The short answer is "no", or at best "not yet"... > > Thank you very much for the response and comprehensive > comments. > > In this case, the mail domain owner is actually the one > that needs this level of control: he insist

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-31 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 29/01/2022 01:55, Johan Wevers via Gnupg-users wrote: > There are known technical issues: the HKP keyserver does not allow keys > to be removed, GDPR or not. When the keyserer operator operates outside > of the EU I don't think that is a legal problem. This is incorrect. All three of the common

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-31 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 29/01/2022 03:51, Shawn K. Quinn via Gnupg-users wrote: > If the server is physically in the US, administered by someone residing > in the US, is the EU really expecting US courts to enforce EU > laws/directives like the GDPR on a US citizen? The short answer is no, of course not. The practica

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users
Unrelated note: I find the rhetoric of a few posts in this thread absolutely astounding. From a crypto question to red scare and "my army is going to kick your country's ass if it dares talk to me" in two easy steps ? This is vile. "Tell it to the Marines" is a standard American and British prov

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Vincent Pelletier via Gnupg-users
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0700, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: > After the user removal the domain owner is ipso facto > GDPR compliant. However, he would prefer that a naive user > (rightly or not) does not consider him unresponsive, and both > sides have some interest in preventing any Int

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users
PS: I guess by the "emotional reactions" you mean Robert J. Hansen mails, since replies by other people seem much more technical in nature. If by 'emotional' people mean 'amused', then yes. I thought it was cuter than a pailful of kittens. :) If by 'emotional' people mean angry, annoyed, or

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Ángel
(changing back the thread subject) On 2022-01-29 at 09:38 -0700, jonkomer wrote: > I was the one to suggest to them to use e-mail and OpenPG > encryption. The reasons were two-fold: first to avoid one of > those centralized, web-browser based, single-point-of-failure, > essentially insecure commun

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Ángel
On 2022-01-28 at 20:43 -0700, jonkomer wrote: > > When the keyserer operator operates outside > > of the EU I don't think that is a legal problem. > > If an individual that requests his personal information is > removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, > GDPR applies regardless

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-29 Thread Johan Wevers via Gnupg-users
On 29-01-2022 4:43, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: >> When the keyserer operator operates outside >> of the EU I don't think that is a legal problem. > If an individual that requests his personal information is > removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, > GDPR applies regardle

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread Robert J. Hansen via Gnupg-users
If an individual that requests his personal information is removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, GDPR applies regardless of the jurisdiction in which the information server is located. "Right to be forgotten" doesn't exist in the United States. It's a violation of our Fir

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread Shawn K. Quinn via Gnupg-users
On 1/28/22 21:43, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: > If an individual that requests his personal information is > removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, > GDPR applies regardless of the jurisdiction in which the > information server is located. > > Jon K. If the server is phys

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer via Gnupg-users
jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: When the keyserer operator operates outside of the EU I don't think that is a legal problem. If an individual that requests his personal information is removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, GDPR applies regardless of the jurisdiction in whic

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread jonkomer via Gnupg-users
When the keyserer operator operates outside of the EU I don't think that is a legal problem. If an individual that requests his personal information is removed (i.e., the "right to be forgotten") is EU resident, GDPR applies regardless of the jurisdiction in which the information server is locat

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread Johan Wevers via Gnupg-users
On 28-01-2022 21:02, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: > How do individual key-server owner/operators react to > formal GDPR "forget me" requests; either by e-mail users, or > by mail domain owners? Any known legal precedents? There are known technical issues: the HKP keyserver does not allow keys

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread jonkomer via Gnupg-users
A. G. via : The short answer is "no", or at best "not yet"... Thank you very much for the response and comprehensive comments. In this case, the mail domain owner is actually the one that needs this level of control: he insists on the ability to positively respond to individual e-mail users' GD

Re: Preventing public key upload to key-servers

2022-01-28 Thread Andrew Gallagher via Gnupg-users
On 26/01/2022 22:03, jonkomer via Gnupg-users wrote: > Is there anything that a public key owner can do, to actually > *ensure* that, if some careless or malicious correspondent > ignores the comment ("Please do not upload...") and attempts > to upload his or her (otherwise fully functional) public