Re: Wind river

2014-10-23 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> While i think the most dangerous current threat to our freedom and > democracy is ubiquitous eavesdropping and spoofing by NSA, GCHQ and > their likes... It's a popular opinion. > I admit US scientists also gave us the means to defend against > it(strong cryptography). In the immediate postw

Wind river

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Anders
@rjh thanks for your earnest answer to my sloppy and somewhat provocative post. > > > This doesn't make any sense to me. > > Makes perfect sense to me, once you understand three things: > > (a) at one point all the good crypto came out of either the US, UK, > or France, I have to concede

Re: Wind river

2014-10-22 Thread Julian H. Stacey
"Robert J. Hansen" wrote: ... > All this being said, the laws aren't *wholly* stupid. ITAR has a couple > of nice commonsense exceptions. (See, e.g., ITAR 120.10 (5): ITAR "does > not include information concerning general scientific, mathematical, or > engineering principles commonly taught in s

Re: Wind river

2014-10-22 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f8a7e639bbbcdd460e881f7ae4a927b3&node=pt22.1.120&rgn=div5#se22.1.120_110 > > Has 120.10 a & b but no 5. See: http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_120.pdf That dates from April 1, 2013, and apparently has been updat

Re: Wind river

2014-10-21 Thread Robert J. Hansen
e regulations make sense when you consider the historical context in which they were created, and consider just how hard it is to get old and outdated laws changed. Are they stupid in the present day? Yeah. But they're also still the law, and Wind River was *freaking* *stupid* to knowingly,

Re: Wind river

2014-10-21 Thread Michael Anders
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 00:46 +0200, gnupg-users-requ...@gnupg.org wrote: > > I just saw this news story yesterday, ... > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/17/intel_subsidiary_crypto_export_fine/ > This doesn't make any sense to me. Either US administration has completely gone nuts and assumes

Re: Wind River

2014-10-19 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> I just saw this news story yesterday, and I wasn't sure if folks > around here already knew about it or not, but since the subject > of silly export restrictions had come up on this list recently, > I thought that I should share... It was brought up and discussed at length less than two days ago

Wind River

2014-10-19 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I just saw this news story yesterday, and I wasn't sure if folks around here already knew about it or not, but since the subject of silly export restrictions had come up on this list recently, I thought that I should share... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/17/intel_subsidiary_crypto_export