Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-12 Thread Werner Koch
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:06:03 -0500, lists.gnupg-us...@mephisto.fastmail.net wrote: > Forgive me, but how is a MitM attack possible against a symmetric cypher > using a shared, secret key? For example by swapping messages. Two messages are sent on two out-of-band events one which says Yes and th

Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-11 Thread lists . gnupg-users
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:02 +0100, "Werner Koch" wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:44:35 -0500, ved...@hush.com wrote: > > > symmetrical encryption is a simple way to avoid signing, while > > still maintaining relative reliability of knowledge as to who sent > > the message > > That is not true.

Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-10 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 January 10th 2010 in gnupg-users@gnupg.org thread "very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted" >then there should be some sort of alert or advisory that the >plaintext should be a minimum length (whatever that minimum length or

Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-10 Thread Werner Koch
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:44:35 -0500, ved...@hush.com wrote: > symmetrical encryption is a simple way to avoid signing, while > still maintaining relative reliability of knowledge as to who sent > the message That is not true. For example you can't detect a replay or MitM attack. Further even r

Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-10 Thread vedaal
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:03:53 -0500 Benjamin Donnachie wrote: >2010/1/8 : >> At any rate, it seems disturbingly easy to distinguish between >> symmetrically encrypted messages having only the word 'yes' or >'no' >> just by 'looking' at the ciphertext. > >i. Don't send such short messages >ii. Do

Re: very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-08 Thread Benjamin Donnachie
2010/1/8 : > At any rate, it seems disturbingly easy to distinguish between > symmetrically encrypted messages having only the word 'yes' or 'no' > just by 'looking' at the ciphertext. i. Don't send such short messages ii. Don't use symmetric encryption. Ben

very short plaintexts symmetrically encrypted

2010-01-08 Thread vedaal
have been playing around with symmetrical encryption, and noticed something potentially concerning. Here are 6 symmetrically encrypted short plaintexts: -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: passphrase sss jA0ECgMIml0qMoARY01g0kUBK8nPnLhmkn4QbxiOvxyn9eqhkzr5mNIw