Plans for change....

2006-12-15 Thread Gregory John Casamento
All, I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish in the year to come: As Chief maintainer, it is up to me to determine the direction of the project. Over the past several years interest in GNUstep has steadily increased, but not nearly by enough. In order to reach a

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Philippe C.D. Robert
Hi Gregory, good luck as GNUstep maintainer! On 16.12.2006, at 05:10, Gregory John Casamento wrote: 1) Adopt a more modern look. This includes the look of the windows, the color scheme and how the menus are rendered. It's okay to let that old gui go, it's not going to kill you to do so. ;) User

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
Am 16.12.2006 um 05:10 schrieb Gregory John Casamento: All, I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish in the year to come: As Chief maintainer, it is up to me to determine the direction of the project. . . . 2) Make regular releases. Start courting diff

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Gregory John Casamento
amento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: GNUstep Developers Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 8:46:15 AM Subject: Re: Plans for change Am 16.12.2006 um 05:10 schrieb Gregory John Casamento: > All, > > I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to > accomplis

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Henrik Mikael Kristensen
On 16/12/2006, at 5:10, Gregory John Casamento wrote: 1) Adopt a more modern look. I like the original GUI as it has a sober and calm look and I wouldn't mind a new GUI, but there are a lot of imperfections especially in shoddy text placement that makes it look unfinished. It's quite eas

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Henrik, > I like the original GUI as it has a sober and calm look and I > wouldn't mind a new GUI, but there are a lot of imperfections > especially in shoddy text placement that makes it look unfinished. > It's quite easy to tell the difference between GNUstep and NeXTStep > screenshots,

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-16 Thread Hubert Chan
Hi Gregory, Congratulations on becoming chief maintainer. Thanks for your work so far, and thanks for your commitment to the project. And, of course, thanks to Adam for all of his work as chief maintainer as well. On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 20:10:01 -0800 (PST), Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread David Wetzel
> All, > > I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish > in the year to come: > > As Chief maintainer, it is up to me to determine the > direction of the project. To me, that sounds very reasonable. Themes are very important. Dynamic layout/sizing like Renaissance

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
On 12/17/06, David Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish > in the year to come: > > As Chief maintainer, it is up to me to determine the > direction of the project. To me, that sounds very reasonable. Themes are very

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread David Wetzel
Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > Well, hardcoded position does make localization look better > considering the languages are quite > different in west and east. Wrong, because auto-layout will take care of that. I have seen some Mac Apps that had too big German labels... -- _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetz

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
On 12/17/06, David Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > Well, hardcoded position does make localization look better > considering the languages are quite > different in west and east. Wrong, because auto-layout will take care of that. I have seen some Mac Apps that had too bi

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread David Wetzel
Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > I think this argument falls into the category as the scroll bar > should be on the right or left. > There is no solution to make everyone happy. Maybe you should read [1]. It is very simple. Scrollers are always parts of a scrollview. A theme can change the layout. Thi

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
On 12/17/06, David Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > I think this argument falls into the category as the scroll bar > should be on the right or left. > There is no solution to make everyone happy. Maybe you should read [1]. It is very simple. Scrollers are always par

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Yen-Ju Chen
This is a news of GTK+ to be ported on Mac natively without X11. http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2006/12/illuminous_meet_gtk_1.html The interesting part is the comment. I would say the same comment may apply to GNUstep on Windows. If GNUstep doesn't gain popularity on its native platform (Unix,

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Gregory John Casamento
EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: GNUstep Developers Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:19:45 AM Subject: Re: Plans for change > All, > > I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish > in the year to come: > > As Chief maintainer, it is up to me

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-17 Thread Gregory John Casamento
PROTECTED]> Cc: gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:21:27 PM Subject: Re: Plans for change On 12/17/06, David Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > > > I think this argument falls into the category as the scroll bar > > shoul

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-18 Thread Hubert Chan
Gregory John Casamento wrote: [...] > I, personally, don't see much value in auto-layout, because > GNUstep/OPENSTEP provides the user with a way to have a GUI for each > locale, so that you can specifically tailor your GUI to each, but to > each his own. Well, it's not just about localization.

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-18 Thread Adrian Robert
On Dec 18, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Hubert Chan wrote: Gregory John Casamento wrote: [...] I, personally, don't see much value in auto-layout, because GNUstep/OPENSTEP provides the user with a way to have a GUI for each locale, so that you can specifically tailor your GUI to each, but to each his

Re: Plans for change....

2006-12-19 Thread Alex Perez
Gregory John Casamento wrote: All, I've written up a short list of things that I want GNUstep to accomplish in the year to come: As Chief maintainer, it is up to me to determine the direction of the project. Over the past several years interest in GNUstep has steadily increased, but not nearl

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-16 Thread Gregory John Casamento
--- Original Message From: Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Henrik Mikael Kristensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; GNUstep Developers Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:15:30 PM Subject: Re: Plans for change Henrik, > I like the original GUI as it has a sober and calm

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-17 Thread Philippe C.D. Robert
On 16.12.2006, at 23:24, Gregory John Casamento wrote: I now ask these questions: What was the original goal of NeXT with their OS? Should that goal not also be the same for GNUstep? The original goal of OPENSTEP was to create a crossplatform set of libraries which could be easily used. These

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-17 Thread Henrik Mikael Kristensen
On 17/12/2006, at 23:10, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote: On 16.12.2006, at 23:24, Gregory John Casamento wrote: I now ask these questions: What was the original goal of NeXT with their OS? Should that goal not also be the same for GNUstep? The original goal of OPENSTEP was to create a crossplatf

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-17 Thread Gregory John Casamento
elopers Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:10:04 PM Subject: Re: Plans for change (minor correct of previous post) On 16.12.2006, at 23:24, Gregory John Casamento wrote: >> I now ask these questions: What was the original goal of NeXT with >> their OS? Should that goal not also be

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-17 Thread Gregory John Casamento
evelopment environment and API as possible. GJC -- Gregory Casamento ## GNUstep Chief Maintainer - Original Message From: Henrik Mikael Kristensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: GNUstep Developers Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:07:15 PM Subject: Re: Plans for change (minor correct

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-18 Thread brian muhumuza
On 12/18/06, Henrik Mikael Kristensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 17/12/2006, at 23:10, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote: > On 16.12.2006, at 23:24, Gregory John Casamento wrote: >>> I now ask these questions: What was the original goal of NeXT with >>> their OS? Should that goal not also be the s

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-18 Thread Philippe C.D. Robert
Hmmm.. On 18.12.2006, at 02:57, Gregory John Casamento wrote: And NeXT clearly failed with this strategy ;-) To go into all of the reasons why NeXT failed is beyond the scope of this email. But, suffice it to say, it wasn't this strategy that failed them, it was the idea that you could cha

Re: Plans for change.... (minor correct of previous post)

2006-12-18 Thread Gregory John Casamento
idea. Later, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ## GNUstep Chief Maintainer - Original Message From: Philippe C.D. Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gregory John Casamento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: GNUstep Developers Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:01:49 PM Subject: Re: Plans for change...