Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve Hitchcock [shi] wrote: > sha> Why would anyone want to continue paying for what they can get for free? > shi> Good question, and one for the commercial players to shi> answer. Non-exclusivity is the lever to get them to answer, and it would be shi> good not just for autho

Re: Alternative publishing models - was: Scholar's Forum: A New Model...

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, 7 May 1999, Arthur Smith wrote: > sh> So the only way to implement page charges that does not tamper in any > sh> way with classical peer review is to assess them only for accepted > sh> papers (factoring in the costs of processing the rejected papers with > sh> the overall cost per accept

Re: 2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Arthur Smith
On Fri, 7 May 1999 15:53:43 +0100, Stevan Harnad wrote: >> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) >> From: "Arthur P. Smith" >> >> sh> (1) Is the true cost closer to $2000 per article or $200? >> >> Well, the true cost (for this specific question, for us) is >> a matter of calculation, not

Re: 2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Arthur P. Smith" > > sh> (1) Is the true cost closer to $2000 per article or $200? > > Well, the true cost (for this specific question, for us) is > a matter of calculation, not speculation. Fair enough. But I of course did not mean the true

Re: 2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Arthur Smith
On Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:16 -0400, Thomas J. Walker wrote: >Selling electronic reprints, so long as paper publication continues, can be >quite profitable (and thus fiscally responsible). Well, I wasn't very clear in my reply on that - sorry. The reason we can't sell electronic reprints is becau

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

1999-05-07 Thread Steve Hitchcock
Stevan, In view of the recent explosion of debate you have participated in (Scholar's Forum etc.) this is going back a week or so, but in the interest of wanting not to 'weigh it (the LANL model) down' ... At 12:44 PM 4/28/99 +0100, you wrote: >It is conceivable to pay for the quality co

Re: Alternative publishing models - was: Scholar's Forum: A New Model...

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Arthur Smith wrote: > Journals will relinquish some of their current-content and distribution > roles to things like the preprint archives, but will be taking on new > responsibilities also in areas traditionally dominated by abstracting > and indexing services (through interli

Re: Alternative publishing models - was: Scholar's Forum: A New Model...

1999-05-07 Thread Arthur Smith
On Fri, 7 May 1999 13:27:27 +0100, Stevan Harnad wrote: > [... discussion of multiple evaluation ...] > >So the only way to implement page charges that does not tamper in any >way with classical peer review is to assess them only for accepted >papers (factoring in the costs of processing the reje

Re: Scholar's Forum: A New Model For Scholarly Communication

1999-05-07 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Ransdell, Joseph M. wrote: > It still is not clear why [Scholars Forum] should put as much > weight... on the self-archiving principle as you think > they should... it is surely well within the power of > such a Consortium to attract as many prestigious editors with their > jo

Re: 2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Thomas J. Walker
At 10:43 AM 5/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 6 May 1999, Stevan Harnad wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 May 1999, Thomas J. Walker wrote: >> > [...] >> > I was naive to think that Societies would think it win-win to sell at a >> > profit what their authors want. > >If it was something that obviously increase

Re: 2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Arthur P. Smith
On Thu, 6 May 1999, Stevan Harnad wrote: > Everything below rides on three issues: > > (1) Is the true cost closer to $2000 per article or $200? Well, the true cost (for this specific question, for us) is a matter of calculation, not speculation. Taking our total costs for editorial and productio

2.0K vs. 0.2K

1999-05-07 Thread Thomas J. Walker
List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:07:34 -0400 From: "Thomas J. Walker" To: Stevan Harnad Stevan-- Thought you might be interested in this exchange from earlier this year. I was naive to think that Societies would think it win-win to sell at a pro