Re: The archival status of archived papers

2002-12-04 Thread J Adrian Pickering
At 22:54 03/12/2002, you wrote: I think deletion should be a (discouraged but available) option, but with a persistent tag for the deleted (null) text, as a place-holder for would-be citers who did read that draft and do want to refer to it (even against the author's request, and even backed up

Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from the Optional

2002-12-04 Thread Arthur P. Smith
On the Faustian Grip article http://econwpa.wustl.edu/ewp-mic/0202005.abs - basically this boils down to the way a free market works - people do what's in their self-interest, there's a division of labor, and money/resources change hands. While there are various optimal solutions a central

Re: The Economist: Publish and perish

2002-12-04 Thread Albert Henderson
on Wed, 27 Nov 2002 Arkadiusz Jadczyk a...@cassiopaea.org wrote But the main problem in this thread is the proceder of peer reviewing and what to do about it. For me the action of the editor of Classical and Quantum and Gravity is just funny. If they are really serious, they should

Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from the Optional

2002-12-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Arthur P. Smith wrote: On the Faustian Grip article http://econwpa.wustl.edu/ewp-mic/0202005.abs ...on average, overall total cost to (all) readers per published article for commercial journals is not that much more than for non-profit publishers, and eliminating the

Re: removal of articles from electronic journals

2002-12-04 Thread Rune Dalgaard
I agree with the response by Miller. Actually removing stuff is unacceptable. With print that was kind of impossible because of the many distributed physical copies (at least it demanded an effort comparable to Orwells 1984). With the digital medium no such guarantee follows - it has to be

Re: The archival status of archived papers

2002-12-04 Thread Steve Hitchcock
At 22:54 03/12/02 +, Stevan Harnad wrote: OED's definition was written before the Internet. One can certainly write on a draft, prominently This is just a temporary draft, and will be revised. One can even add Please do not quote or cite. But if you put that on the Web, not only will some

Re: The archival status of archived papers

2002-12-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
I agree completely with Mark Doyle and was not (in my reply to a query from a user) venturing to suggest policy. I was trying to explain to the user why one could not keep updating the same archived paper (whether metadata or text). I leave it to Mark, Chris and the experts to pick the optimal

Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from the Optional

2002-12-04 Thread Arthur P. Smith
Stevan Harnad wrote: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Arthur P. Smith wrote: Nope. Even if this ended the serials budget crisis -- though it's hard to see how having the poorer parts of the world take over more of the burden is a remedy! The spending on publications need only catch up to the spending on

Re: Online Self-Archiving: Distinguishing the Optimal from the Optional

2002-12-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Arthur P. Smith wrote: The spending on publications need only catch up to the spending on research - which is what you've been proposing all along anyway (under the author/institution-pays scheme). What needs catching up is self-archiving! That's the *guaranteed* provider

Re: Momentum for Eprint Archiving

2002-12-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
Re-posted from: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/fosblog.html http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/print_version/atwood1202.asp (PS interpolations are comments from Peter Suber of FOS.) In the January 2003 MIT Technology Review, Sally Atwood reviews DSpace. Quoting MacKenzie

Re: The archival status of archived papers

2002-12-04 Thread David Goodman
If they disappear others may well make the same mistake. But if they continue to exist, with the error noted, people will learn from them (embarrassing as it may prove to be for the authors of the example). Bob Parks wrote: ... There are some papers which prove to be wrong, even though there