Re: STM Talk: Open Access by Peaceful Evolution

2003-03-04 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Le 1 Mars 2003 15:16, David Goodman a =E9crit : > Jean-Claude may feel that > > > > Librarians create the illusion of free access by supporting the whole > > > structure financially > > and Stevan may disdain > > > Anyone who prefers instead to fight with publishers over tolls -- or to > > lock ho

Re: Self-Archiving Refereed Research vs. Self-Publishing Unrefereed Research

2003-03-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Arthur P. Smith wrote: > [By the way, Stevan changed my Subject line - but I suppose it's a > relevant followup] The Forum has been continuous since 1998. To make the archive more useful to users, I gather new postings under relevant existing threads, if they exist, rather tha

Re: Self-Archiving Refereed Research vs. Self-Publishing Unrefereed Research

2003-03-04 Thread Arthur P. Smith
[By the way, Stevan changed my Subject line - but I suppose it's a relevant followup] Stevan Harnad wrote: I would say there is no particular lesson to be learnt from such cases, precisely because they are rare, and no one cares. How do we know how rare they are? The problem I see with this,

Re: Self-Archiving Refereed Research vs. Self-Publishing Unrefereed Research

2003-03-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
The case below is reminiscent of the Bogdanov affair, discussed in this Forum in the following threads: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2365.html http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2370.html I would say there is no particular lesson to be learnt from such cases,

Re: Self-Archiving Refereed Research vs. Self-Publishing Unrefereed Research

2003-03-04 Thread Arthur P. Smith
Some of you may be interested in the following "slashdot" discussion from a day or two ago: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/03/1224243&mode=thread&tid=93&tid=134&tid=146 titled "Riemann Hypothesis Proved?" quoting a Swedish newspaper (apparently the major print news outlet in Swe

Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research

2003-03-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Steve Hitchcock wrote: > ... in many cases for authors to reserve a self-archiving right, rather > than copyright, is sufficient, but not in every case... One example is > where you might want to [1] reuse data in more than one paper. [T]here are > cases where research results

Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research

2003-03-04 Thread Steve Hitchcock
I agree with Elizabeth that it is clearly beneficial for authors to retain copyright, and I'm not sure why we are not actively formulating a strategy to help and encourage more authors to do this. Stevan may be right that in many cases for authors to reserve a self-archiving right, rather than co

Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research

2003-03-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Pam Davies wrote: > But in the context of learning and teaching there are indeed possible > uses that the author might want which are "not provided by permanent > full-text open-access on the web:" In the growing momentum toward open-access to refereed research a number of sti

Re: PostGutenberg Copyrights and Wrongs for Give-Away Research

2003-03-04 Thread Pam Davies
Stevan says, in reply to Lizzie Gadd: > From: Stevan Harnad [mailto:har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk] > Sent: 03 March 2003 11:47 > What would be a very useful exercise for those who believe that having a > full-text permenantly accessible to every web-user on the planet 24 > hours a day does *not* provide