Re: UK Select Committee Inquiry into Scientific Publication

2004-05-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Richard Poynder wrote: > I agree that self-archiving and OA publishing are frequently and > inaccurately conflated, and that I am sometimes guilty of this myself. No, dear Richard, it is OA and OA publishing that are conflated (i.e., treated as if they were the same thing). O

Re: UK Select Committee Inquiry into Scientific Publication

2004-05-05 Thread Richard Poynder
Stevan Harnad wrote: > Although it was the library community and its journal budget crisis that > first brought the research-access problem to the research community's > attention, the journal-pricing problem and the research-access problem > are not the same problem! I agree that self-archiving

Re: Scientometric OAI Search Engines

2004-05-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Robert Kiley wrote: > It is recognised that there are here are two ways to provide OA: > > (1) publishing articles in OA journals and > > (2) publishing them in conventional journals but self-archiving them > publicly on the web as well. > > One problem with route 2

Re: Scientometric OAI Search Engines

2004-05-05 Thread Tim Brody
The likelihood is the user searched Google before they tried Pubmed or ScienceDirect: "Ingelfinger Over-Ruled harnad" comes up with an OA version as the top match. With OAI and OpenURL the OA version could be linked in as easily as the aggregators currently linked to by PubMed (although perhaps

Re: Scientometric OAI Search Engines

2004-05-05 Thread Robert Kiley
It is recognised that there are here are two ways to provide OA: (1) publishing articles in OA journals and (2) publishing them in conventional journals but self-archiving them publicly on the web as well. One problem with route 2 that doesn't seem to have been fully addressed is how

Re: UK Select Committee Inquiry into Scientific Publication

2004-05-05 Thread David Goodman
Those [publishers] mentioned invested in the industry [with] knowledge of the possibilities, including OA. Presumably either they thought they would obtain sufficient return in the time remaining, or they thought we would not succeed with OA. That they might prove to have been wrong in their estim

Re: Scientometric OAI Search Engines

2004-05-05 Thread Bob Parks
Robert Kiley writes: >It is recognised that there are here are two ways to provide OA: >(1) publishing articles in OA journals and >(2) publishing them in conventional journals but self-archiving them >publicly on the web as well. > >One problem with route 2 that doesn't seem to have b

Re: The Logic of Page Charges to Free the Journal Literature

2004-05-05 Thread Sally Morris (ALPSP)
I think the report (at http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/images/costs_business_7955.pdf) needs to be read rather carefully The cost figures are not new, but make sensible use of previously published figures (whether or not these have been updated to current values I am not sure); the separation of 'pe