Re: How To Support Institutional OA Archive Start-Up and OA Content Provision

2004-10-04 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Friends: Stevan Harnad suggests how donor agencies can facilitate setting up interoperable institutional archives. We can adopt his suggestions for setting up such archives in India. Of course, one need not trouble the Southampton team for help; NCSI at IISc has all the expertise and experience

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread David Goodman
Dear Stevan, In the Brody et al. studies, the effect of OA in enhancing visibility and use for many of the earlier papers studied, lasts for much longer than two years. I refer you to your own group's data and Brody's graphs. The citation half life for almost all journals even in the

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
David, all I can do is repeat that you are trying to count your citation-chickens before the OA-eggs are even laid; and the counting exercise delays the egg-laying even further! Right now, I believe it is a huge strategic mistake to focus time and energy on worrying about the longevity of still

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Brian Simboli
How does this follow? ...the very presence of all that OA content will be the single strongest driver for preservation. Brian Simboli [MODERATOR'S NOTE: In the interest of speed and traffic control, here is my reply: Because the incentive to preserve contents that exist is far

Re: Green, Gold, Elsevier, Springer

2004-10-04 Thread Steve Hitchcock
At 17:05 03/10/04 +0100, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: For part of the authors' submission - the supplemental data - it is worse. I know that for some of this list only full text is published but for many scientists the supplemental data (without which the paper is not allowed to be published) is at

No Reply to Next Two Postings

2004-10-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
As I detect signs of a trend toward tumbling into intemperateness if the exchange continues, I will not reply to the two postings by Jean-Claude Guedon that follow this one. The attentive reader can, I think, draw his own conclusions from what has already been said. The rest would just have been

Re: How To Support Institutional OA Archive Start-Up and OA Content Provision

2004-10-04 Thread Jean-Claude Gu�don
Responses below. On Sun October 3 2004 10:51 am, Stevan Harnad wrote: On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Jean-Claude Guedon wrote: OSI is not subsidizing OA journals. It is subsidizing authors from disadvantaged countries and institutions so that they may submit to OA journals. OSI has also supported the

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Jean-Claude Gu�don
Here we go... On Sat October 2 2004 08:16 am, Stevan Harnad wrote: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, [identity deleted] wrote: While OAI compliance is a sine qua non condition of some measure of inter-operability, it does not (yet?) ensure the kind of ease of retrieval that other forms of archiving can

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Alma Swan
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, [identity deleted] wrote: While OAI compliance is a sine qua non condition of some measure of inter-operability, it does not (yet?) ensure the kind of ease of retrieval that other forms of archiving can provide, including some form of central archiving. Ease-of-retrieval

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Heather Morrison
greetings - Stevan Harnad wrote: Perhaps it would be a good idea if OSI subsidized authors from disadvantaged countries and institutions to provide OA to their articles by self-archiving them in their institutional archives: Then the subsidy might generate more OA articles from the same author

Re: How To Support Institutional OA Archive Start-Up and OA Content Provision

2004-10-04 Thread Alma Swan
David Goodman wrote: I think it would be very useful to everyone if you could post the cost figures you refer to here, giving the detail upon which it is based so that other places could adapt it to their size and needs. (I) First, determine the start-up cost of creating an institutional

Re: Central versus institutional self-archiving

2004-10-04 Thread Jan Velterop
There are (at least) three, interrelated, problems: (1) Not every researcher deposits his or her research articles in an open repository/archive; (2) Not every institution has an open repository/archive; (3) Not every funder mandates -- or even encourages -- open access publishing and/or open

Re: No Reply to Next Two Postings

2004-10-04 Thread Jean-Claude Gu�don
Let me nevertheless correct your misreadings of my position. On Mon October 4 2004 07:55 am, Stevan Harnad wrote: As I detect signs of a trend toward tumbling into intemperateness if the exchange continues, I will not reply to the two postings by Jean-Claude Guedon that follow this one. The