Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Jeffery, KG (Keith)
All - I know that at this point Alma and Stevan would expect me to point out that - as well as OA IRs - there are other systems maintained by funders and research institutions. These are called CRIS (Current Research Information Systems)and there is an EU Recommendation to member states (i.e. a

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Thomas Krichel wrote: >  TK: >>  [If NIH and other funders were to stipulate that institutional IRs >>  are to be the preferred locus of deposit then] >  [T]he funder  [1] would still have to be aware of all institutional >  repositories, [2] harvest the met

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
A quick reply to Alma, especially as I see that we are beginning to - should I use the word? - converge... :-) -Original Message- American Scientist Open Access Forum on behalf of Alma Swan Sat 7/26/2008 1:51 AM Good point, except that in the institutions with most self-archiving going

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Gu�don Jean-Claude
Hre I fully agree with Alma. Dependence on publishers must - I repeat "must" - cease. Division of labour on a just basis is conceivable; dependence is not!!! Jean-Claude Guédon

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Alma Swan
Oh, Fred, I'm sorry to have unwittingly goaded you into responding. But... Fred Friend wrote: > Oh dear! I have avoided contributing to this discussion > because it has saddened me to see so much disagreement about > the various ways to achieve OA when we are all working so > hard to achieve OA by

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Alma Swan
> I can readily see that bringing back the local output from a > central depository creates a bit of work for a library, but > given that in many institutions, self-archiving is a myth, > and archiving is done by librarians anyway, I would like to > know which is the most demanding route: checking

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Thomas Krichel
Alma Swan writes > True, we shouldn't get too wound up about this. Interoperability > means that back-harvesting, forward-harvesting and > upside-down-harvesting can go on wherever appropriate but it is a > shame that we have arrived at a point where universities, the > mainstays of our societie

Re: Convergent IR Deposit Mandates vs. Divergent CR Deposit Mandates

2008-07-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Klaus Graf wrote: > It's pure arrogance to think that only authors at an institution > should be privileged to deposit OA papers. It certainly would be pure arrogance to think that, and no one is thinking or proposing it.   > Freelance-scholars must have a disc

Re: leveraging funder mandated deposition into central archives

2008-07-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Michael Eisen wrote: > There are some interesting threads in the discussion about whether the > NIH should have mandated deposition into institutional archives. But > the discussion is really kind of pointless, because, as we like to say > in these parts "it ain't