Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Walker,Thomas J
Heather Morrison: > If 10% of last year's revenue > stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased > by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, > departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. [Bill Hjooker:} While I have seen publishers cl

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
PLOS One at 4800 articles in 2009 will clearly be one of the largest journals, only PHYS REV B (5782) and APPL PHYS LETT (5449) published more articles in 2008. Other journals in the 'largest' category, with their 2008 article counts, are: J APPL PHYS (4168) PHYS REV LETT (3905) J BIOL CH

Beyond Romary & Armbruster On Institutional Repositories

2009-07-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
** Apologies for Cross-Posting ** Fullly hyperlinked version of this posting: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/606-guid.html Critique of: Romary, L & Armbruster, C. (2009) Beyond Institutional Repositories. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
Clarification: PLoS One is among the world's largest journals, anticipating publication of about 4,800 articles in 2009 - it is not THE largest journal, at least not yet. If anyone has data about average annual output of the world's largest journals, that would be most helpful. If PLoS One does b

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
I cannot find -- in Jan's explanation, below, of the nonlinear nature of subscription journal pricing -- the response to the pair of points I raised. So I will try to repeat them, in context: (1) Yes, if and when subscriptions are all cancelled, and journals have downsized to providing only the pe

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Bill Hooker
Heather Morrison: > If 10% of last year's revenue > stream is coming from publication charges, prices should be decreased > by 10%. OR, libraries and others such as funding agencies, > departments, etc., should not support the publication charges. While I have seen publishers claim that OA uptake

Re: [CLS Junk released by Allow List] Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Dana Roth
Two thoughts here 1) shouldn't an increase in the size of the journal be factored into the discussion before making the 'double-dipping' charge and 2) PLOS One has published ~6000 articles while the Journal of Biological Chemistry (and probably several others) have published almost 10,000 articl

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Jan Velterop
So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping.  A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced linearly. That if 10% of the papers are OA, and paid for on behalf or by the author, the sub

Re: Submission Fees (was: RE: "Overlay Journals" Over Again...)

2009-07-05 Thread Heather Morrison
On 5-Jul-09, at 4:37 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: So it seems double-dipping unless it's honest? Perhaps it's honest unless it's clearly double-dipping. A very wide-spread misconception, on this list and elsewhere, is that subscriptions somehow are priced linearly. Comment: Publisher revenue is inde