[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Sally Morris
Many of you have argued that Gold OA - at last - creates a genuine marketplace between publishers and authors. In any marketplace, sellers price according to what they consider their offer is worth to buyers. Some journals are worth more than others to authors (indeed, publishers generally

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Heather Morrison
There's nothing odd about companies wanting to profit off of the work of others. What is unusual about scholarly publishing is that the costs are not connected with the impact of the costs in an obvious way. For example it would be most surprising if, at the University of Alberta, discussions

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Sally Morris
Dear Heather The point I was trying to make is that - unlike with subscriptions - there is a direct connection between the person who benefits from the value offered (the author) and the publisher. Thus the marketplace should operate normally. 'Profits' are not in themselves bad - they are

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Thomas Krichel
Heather Morrison writes If a university is looking for voluntary severance from faculty members while at the same time paying even more above inflationary cost increases to publishers with high profit margins, that is wrong and needs to stop. I agree. And the way to stop it is to cancel

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Heather Morrison
Sally, As noted in my introductory blogpost on this topic, my comments are on the high cost of subscriptions and the 5-7% price increases as projected by EBSCO: http://www2.ebsco.com/EN-US/NEWSCENTER/Pages/ViewArticle.aspx?QSID=600 The only place where OA article processing fees fit into this

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Sally Morris
Heather, if you look back over the thread you will see that I was responding to Dana Roth's posting about the variability of Hindawi's APCs. Nothing else Sally Sally Morris South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU Tel: +44 (0)1903 871286 Email:

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Graham Triggs
On 5 October 2013 19:12, Sally Morris sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.ukwrote: ** The point I was trying to make is that - unlike with subscriptions - there is a direct connection between the person who benefits from the value offered (the author) and the publisher. Thus the marketplace should

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Arthur Sale
I fully agree Sally. Where there is an APC for fully Gold journals (or free which is simply a limiting case) in a fully Gold publication industry, the normal economic processes will kick in to make an effective market. They don’t with institutional subscription journals where the payers are

[GOAL] Fool's Gold vs. Fair Gold

2013-10-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.comwrote: In an author-pays model, the author is paying in part for the peer-review, editing, production, distribution - which are all replicable and comparable services between publishers, and in part the reputation of the

[GOAL] Re: Scholars jobs not publisher profits

2013-10-05 Thread Graham Triggs
On 5 October 2013 19:51, Heather Morrison heather.morri...@uottawa.cawrote: The only place where OA article processing fees fit into this picture is with hybrid journals / publishers. If the market were working, overall subscription prices should be decreasing, not increasing, to reflect the