[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I agree with what Bjoern and Mark have said. We have the imperative to develop a new set of tools and most is in place. For my part I am launching "the Content Mine" over these current days. The goal is simple - to extract 100,000,000 million facts from the scholarly scientific literature. See ht

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-12-01 Thread Bjoern Brembs
On Saturday, November 30, 2013, 12:30:54 AM, you wrote: > The technology to do all of this already exists. Most of > the STEM metadata you describe is actually directly > available in Medline, and the core parts can be used as > per the open biblio principles. Crawling the websites is > already po

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-29 Thread Mark MacGillivray
The technology to do all of this already exists. Most of the STEM metadata you describe is actually directly available in Medline, and the core parts can be used as per the open biblio principles. Crawling the websites is already possible using pubcrawler and other tools, and finding out what their

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-29 Thread Bjoern Brembs
Thanks Daniel for chiming in, this was really helpful. I hope you don't mind a few more comments/questions? On Friday, November 29, 2013, 4:27:38 PM, you wrote: > (a) finding a publication on a site other than the publisher's does > not necessarily mean that file is legally there, or even that i

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-29 Thread Daniel Mietchen
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Bjoern Brembs wrote: > On Friday, November 22, 2013, 5:28:12 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote: >> What's OA is OA, and harvesters, including PMC, will find them. > > That's what I want to do - on a global scale. That would be nice indeed, but the problem is that (a) finding

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-29 Thread Bjoern Brembs
On Friday, November 22, 2013, 5:28:12 PM, you wrote: >>> SH: Institutional users need access to subscription journals today… if the >>> content is not OA, it means paying tolls. >>  BB: Is that supposed to be a justification for keeping subscriptions? > Yes, till the must-have articles are acces

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-22 Thread Arthur Sale
November 2013 10:26 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Cc: scholc...@ala.org; open-acc...@lists.okfn.org Subject: [GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bj

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bjoern Brembs wrote: > *SH:* Institutional users need access to subscription journals today… if > the content is not OA, it means paying tolls. > *BB:* Is that supposed to be a justification for keeping subscriptions? Yes, till the must-have articles are ac

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-22 Thread Bjoern Brembs
On Friday, November 22, 2013, 12:25:42 AM, you wrote: >> I find subscriptions too expensive compared to other >> solutions > Institutional users need access to subscription journals > today. Whatever the solution, if the content is not OA, it > means paying tolls. The toll budget for journal acce

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
; *Cc:* scholc...@ala.org; open-acc...@lists.okfn.org > *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's > Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc. > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bjoern Brembs > wro

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-21 Thread Arthur Sale
lobal Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Cc: scholc...@ala.org; open-acc...@lists.okfn.org Subject: [GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bjoern Brembs wrote:

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Bjoern Brembs wrote: I find subscriptions too expensive compared to other solutions > Institutional users need access to subscription journals today. Whatever the solution, if the content is not OA, it means paying tolls. The toll budget for journal access is ha

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-21 Thread Bjoern Brembs
On Monday, November 18, 2013, 6:06:21 PM, you wrote: > But as for librarians getting out of the business of > subscribing to journals -- that's just ideology (and > completely unrealistic) as long as authors don't into the > business of self-archiving their published articles in > their institutio