[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-22 Thread Heather Morrison
Jan, It is really good to hear that we agree that authors should deposit their articles even when publishing in an open access journal. There are a variety of reasons why publishers might change their practices over time. As you may be aware, there are instances where open access journals have

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-22 Thread Jan Velterop
Heather, What possible motive could a publisher have to act according to the scenario you sketch? Spite? Some wicked pleasure in frustrating the hell out of his authors? They could go out of business, that's true. Oh, and repositories could be discontinued and closed, too, of course. How is thi

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-22 Thread Matthew Cockerill
lf Of Heather Morrison Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:28 PM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access Thanks, Marc and Jan. I'd like to repeat this for emphasis, from the CC-BY legal code thanks to Marc: "Licensor reserv

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-22 Thread Heather Morrison
Thanks, Marc and Jan. I'd like to repeat this for emphasis, from the CC-BY legal code thanks to Marc: "Licensor reserves the right to release the Work under different license terms or to stop distributing the Work at any time". Comment: a publisher can publish a work as CC-BY (which does not re

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-22 Thread Couture Marc
Jan Velterop wrote: > > a (c) licence can only ever be changed from less open/less liberal to > more open/more liberal; otherwise the user/reader can always claim to > have read/used/distributed under the previous licence or not being > aware of the new licence. > I completely agree. And the u

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-21 Thread Pippa Smart
When I worked for a development publisher we used a version of the CC licence for both our online and printed and CD books. Online was available for free. Printed and CD books were sold - but the purchaser could then reuse the content as they wished. So, yes, it is entirely possible to put a CC-BY

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-20 Thread Arthur Smith
It seems to me it would make sense for CLOCKSS to provide any deposited CC-* articles to the public immediately, along with content no longer available from publishers. Arthur Smith On 8/20/12 1:38 PM, Heather Morrison wrote: > Possible solution? > > IF a funding agency were to require that

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-17 Thread Jan Velterop
Heather, Ever heard of FUD? This is it. Jan Velterop Sent from my iPad On 17 Aug 2012, at 18:54, Heather Morrison wrote: > Many in the open access movement consider CC-BY to be the very embodiment of > the spirit of the Budapest Open Access Initiative - giving away all rights to > one's wo

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
And off we go, yet again, Rights Rapture Redux: *Overselling the Importance and Urgency of CC-BY/CC-BY-NC * *for Peer-Reviewed Scholarly and Scientific Research* http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/909-.html On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Heather Morrison wrote: > On 2012-08-17,

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-17 Thread Heather Morrison
On 2012-08-17, at 11:03 AM, Arthur Smith wrote: > There is nothing preventing somebody from charging for a work provided > through a CC-BY or other CC license; however, the first person to > purchase such content then has the right (from the CC license) to > redistribute it freely, so in practi

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-17 Thread Marc Couture
Heather Morrison asks four questions about the CC-BY license > > 1. Am I missing something in the legal code, i.e. does it say somewhere that this > license is only for open access works? > No, but it makes any work to which it is attached de facto OA. > > 2. Is there any reason why a

[GOAL] Re: CC-BY and - or versus - open access

2012-08-17 Thread Arthur Smith
There is nothing preventing somebody from charging for a work provided through a CC-BY or other CC license; however, the first person to purchase such content then has the right (from the CC license) to redistribute it freely, so in practice if any publisher tried to charge it would be self-def