[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
My friend Henk Moed (whose work I admire and whose scientific integrity I am in no way calling into question!) has replied to my query: "Where on earth did Henk get the idea that some institutions' self-archiving 'did not increase when their OA regime was transformed from non-mandatory into manda

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
My friend Henk Moed (whose work I admire and whose scientific integrity I am in no way calling into question!) has replied to my query: "Where on earth did Henk get the idea that some institutions' self-archiving 'did not increase when their OA regime was transformed from non-mandatory into manda

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-26 Thread Stefan Busch
@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Andrew A. Adams Sent: 23 March 2012 09:08 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease? > Is it really common sense? You wri

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-26 Thread Stefan Busch
eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Andrew A. Adams Sent: 23 March 2012 09:08 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease? > Is it really common sense

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Andrew A . Adams
I wrote: > > You are putting the cart before the horse here. A decision to cite > > depends (when the researcher is doing their job properly) on being > > able to read. Only after an article has been read can the decision > > to cite or not come into it. Jan replied: > Of course, quite right: you

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Andrew A. Adams
I wrote: > > You are putting the cart before the horse here. A decision to cite > > depends (when the researcher is doing their job properly) on being > > able to read. Only after an article has been read can the decision > > to cite or not come into it. Jan replied: > Of course, quite right: you

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Andrew A . Adams
> Is it really common sense? You write: "Not only is OA research > downloaded and cited more -- as common sense would expect, as a result > of making it accessible free for all, rather than just for those whose > institutions can afford a subscription". > > First, downloaded more - I can agree.

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Andrew A. Adams
> Is it really common sense? You write: "Not only is OA research > downloaded and cited more -- as common sense would expect, as a result > of making it accessible free for all, rather than just for those whose > institutions can afford a subscription". > > First, downloaded more - I can agree.

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread J . W . Schoones
ehalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: vrijdag 23 maart 2012 10:14 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease? On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Jan W. Schoones, Walaeus Library, The Netherlands,

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread j.w.schoo...@lumc.nl
ehalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: vrijdag 23 maart 2012 10:14 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease? On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Jan W. Schoones, Walaeus Library, The Netherlands,

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread keith . jeffery
g/monitoring%20statement.htm>. -- -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: 23 March 2012 09:14 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread keith.jeff...@stfc.ac.uk
g/monitoring%20statement.htm>. -- -Original Message- From: goal-bounces at eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: 23 March 2012 09:14 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Ross Mounce
Dear Jan, > the citations to articles will not be hampered by accessibility. You're kidding me right? It's quite common to have points in a manuscript that need to be supported by several references (X 2001; Y 2002; Z 2003). In these instances, in my experience researchers use the most famous ex

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Ross Mounce
Dear Jan, > the citations to articles will not be hampered by accessibility. You're kidding me right? It's quite common to have points in a manuscript that need to be supported by several references (X 2001; Y 2002; Z 2003). In these instances, in my experience researchers use the most famous ex

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread J . W . Schoones
Dear Stevan, Is it really common sense? You write: "Not only is OA research downloaded and cited more -- as common sense would expect, as a result of making it accessible free for all, rather than just for those whose institutions can afford a subscription". First, downloaded more - I can agre

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread j.w.schoo...@lumc.nl
Dear Stevan, Is it really common sense? You write: "Not only is OA research downloaded and cited more -- as common sense would expect, as a result of making it accessible free for all, rather than just for those whose institutions can afford a subscription". First, downloaded more - I can agre

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Jan W. Schoones, Walaeus Library, The Netherlands, wrote: > You write: "Not only is OA research downloaded and cited more -- as common > sense would expect, as a result of making it accessible free for all, rather > than just for those whose institutions can af

[GOAL] Re: Tireless Ad Hoc Critiques of OA Study After OA Study: Will Wishful Thinking Ever Cease?

2012-03-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Jan W. Schoones, Walaeus Library, The Netherlands, wrote: > You write: "Not only is OA research downloaded and cited more -- as common > sense would expect, as a result of making it accessible free for all, rather > than just for those whose institutions can af